Bibby BUSH III [Parents] was born in 1750 in North Carolina. He died on 28 Apr 1812 in Edgefield Co., South Carolina. He married Mary HERRIN in 1768 in , Edgefield Co., S. C..
Mary HERRIN was born in 1752 in North Carolina. She died on 21 Jan 1828 in Edgefield Co., South Carolina. She married Bibby BUSH III in 1768 in , Edgefield Co., S. C..
They had the following children:
M i Isaac BUSH was born in 1770. He died in 1836. M ii William BUSH was born in 1772 in Edgefield Dist., , S. C.. He died in Sep 1837 in , , S. C.. M iii Herrin BUSH was born about 1776 in <North Carolina>. M iv John B BUSH was born before 1780 in , , N. C.. He died in May 1844 in Edgefield Dist., , S. C.. He was buried in Mt. Phillipi, Edgefield Co., S. C.. M v Richard BUSH was born about 1788 in Edgefield, District, S.c.. He died about 1827 in , , Miss.. M vi Herran BUSH was born about 1788. F vii Susannah BUSH was born about 1790 in , , S. C.. She died on 4 Apr 1828. F viii BUSH was born in 1792 in Edgefield Dist., , S. C.. She died in , , S. C.. F ix Nancy BUSH was born about 1793 in Edgefield Dist., , S. C.. She died in Jul 1817 in Edgefield Dist., , S. C.. F x BUSH was born about 1794. She died in 1836. F xi Phereby BUSH was born in 1795 in Edgefield Dist., , S. C.. She died in , , S. C..
Louis "The Pious" Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE was born about 799. He married Ermengarde Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE.
Ermengarde Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE was born about 800. She married Louis "The Pious" Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE.
They had the following children:
F i Adbelahide (Adelheid) Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE was born about 824. She died in 866.
Ralph De MORTIMER [Parents] was born in 1190 in , Wigmore, Herefordshire, England. He died on 6 Aug 1246 in , Wigmore, Herefordshire, England. He was buried in Wigmore, Herefordshire, England. He married Gwladys "Ddu" Verch LLEWELYN in 1230 in England.
Gwladys "Ddu" Verch LLEWELYN [Parents] was born about 1205 in Of, , Caernarvonshire, Wales. She died in 1251 in Windsor, Berkshire, England. She married Ralph De MORTIMER in 1230 in England.
Other marriages:BRAOSE, Reginald De
Llywelyn did not marry Joan until 1205 at the EARLIEST, or 1206, if
you believe more detailed sources. Llywelyn did not receive the final
(third) letter from the Pope declaring his betrothal to the daughter of
the King of Man to be void until 1205. Giving a year for conception
and birth, if one assumed Gwladys were daughter of Joan, she could
not have been born earlier than 1206 or 1207. If she were older than
eight or nine years old in 1215, she could not have been daughter of
Joan. As I stated before, the marriage to Reginald de Braose in 1215
was one of political expediency, and not one where the were waiting
for the girl to come of age (so to speak). You'd be relying heavily
on the coincidence that Gwladys happened to be in that very narrow
range between seven (before which age she could not even have
been betrothed) and eight, or nine. Then we have Joan's son and
heir David being born BY 1208 (gave homage in 1229). If Joan
were indeed married in 1206, and David born in 1208 (he cannot
have been born later if the law was followed), that is an
awfully tight squeeze to put Gwladys's coincidental birth there.I still think the claim that Gwladys was daughter of Joan, and
that she therefore MUST have been born in 1207--not before,
not after--is doubtful."Paul C. Reed" <rpc5@uswest.net>
In answer to your question, there was a clear and unambigious
statement that Gladys Dhu was the daughter of Llywelyn and Joan in the
chronicle of Adam of Usk. Adam knew the Mortimer family and
presumably had access to their archives. While Adam is a late date
witness and not altogether reliable, he is rather emphatic that Gladys
was Joan's daughter.As for another late date testimony of the Mortimer family's descent
from Llywelyn, I find the Visitation of the North prepared c.
1480-1500 states that "Roger [recte Ralph] Mortemer duxit Gladiswiscam
filiam principis Wallie." [Reference: Surtees Society, vol. 144,
published 1930, pg. 3.Presumably the point of reciting the extended Mortimer pedigree back
to Prince Llywelyn is because the English descendants of the Mortimer
family c. 1480-1500 believed that Gladys was the legitimate daughter
of Prince Llywelyn, by his wife, Joan.Adam of Usk and the Visitation of the North aside, I believe the best
evidence of Gladys Dhu's parentage is the fact that Gladys' father,
Llywelyn, released two castles which he had in free marriage with his
wife, Joan, to Gladys' husband, Ralph de Mortimer. I posted a
transcript of Llywelyn's charter to Ralph de Mortimer on the
newsgroup. If you need help finding the transcript, please let me
know.Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royalancestry@msn.comIf I read this right are you saying that as there was an ongoing dispute
with the Mortimers over Knighton and Norton, Llywelyn may have decided to
cut his losses and give away the properties with Gwladys. The pragmatic
value of such an act would have overridden the issue of her maternity. It is
my understanding that legally Llywellyn could have given the properties away
with the consent of Joan, anyway.Also in 1229, Gwladys Dhu accompanied her brother as widow of Reginald de
Braose for the purpose of negotiations in London for her to become bride of
Ralph Mortimer? If this is the case, we cannot draw any conclusions about
her maternity from this event.Cheers
Rosie
"Rosie Bevan" <cbevan@paradise.net.nz>Two major pieces of evidence point to Joan as being Gladys' mother.
[GMacGen@aol.com] Giles tells us that Peter C. Bartrum's _Welsh Genealogies_
[table Gruffudd ap Cynan 4] gives the mother of Gwladys Ddu as Tangwystl.
Here is what is shown in Peter C. Bartrum's Welsh Genealogies, page 446,
Gruffudd ap Cynan 4:Iorwerth Drwyndwn ab Owain Gwynedd
m Margred f. Madog (Bl ap C 3)
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Llywelyn d. 1240
(1) Joan d. King John m. 1205
(a) Tangwystl f. Llywarch Goch (LL. Ho. 1)
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Gwladus Ddu d. 1251
(1) Reginald de Braose d. 1228
(2) Ralph II Mortimer d. 1246Kenneth Harper Finton
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KHF333@AOL.comLlywelyn did not marry Joan until 1205 at the EARLIEST, or 1206, if you believe more detailed sources. Llywelyn did not receive the final (third) letter from the Pope declaring his betrothal to the daughter of
the King of Man to be void until 1205. Giving a year for conception and birth, if one assumed Gwladys were daughter of Joan, she could not have been born earlier than 1206 or 1207. If she were older than eight or nine years old in 1215, she could not have been daughter of Joan. As I stated before, the marriage to Reginald de Braose in 1215 was one of political expediency, and not one where the were waiting for the girl to come of age (so to speak). You'd be relying heavily on the coincidence that Gwladys happened to be in that very narrow range between seven (before which age she could not even have been betrothed) and eight, or nine. Then we have Joan's son and heir David being born BY 1208 (gave homage in 1229). If Joan were indeed married in 1206, and David born in 1208 (he cannot have been born later if the law was followed), that is an awfully tight squeeze to put Gwladys's coincidental birth there.I still think the claim that Gwladys was daughter of Joan, and that she therefore MUST have been born in 1207--not before, not after--is doubtful.
In answer to your question, there was a clear and unambigious statement that Gladys Dhu was the daughter of Llywelyn and Joan in the chronicle of Adam of Usk. Adam knew the Mortimer family and
presumably had access to their archives. While Adam is a late date witness and not altogether reliable, he is rather emphatic that Gladys was Joan's daughter.As for another late date testimony of the Mortimer family's descent from Llywelyn, I find the Visitation of the North prepared c. 1480-1500 states that "Roger [recte Ralph] Mortemer duxit Gladiswiscam filiam principis Wallie." [Reference: Surtees Society, vol. 144, published 1930, pg. 3.
Presumably the point of reciting the extended Mortimer pedigree back to Prince Llywelyn is because the English descendants of the Mortimer family c. 1480-1500 believed that Gladys was the legitimate daughter of Prince Llywelyn, by his wife, Joan.
Adam of Usk and the Visitation of the North aside, I believe the best evidence of Gladys Dhu's parentage is the fact that Gladys' father, Llywelyn, released two castles which he had in free marriage with his wife, Joan, to Gladys' husband, Ralph de Mortimer. I posted a transcript of Llywelyn's charter to Ralph de Mortimer on the newsgroup. If you need help finding the transcript, please let me know.
If I read this right are you saying that as there was an ongoing dispute with the Mortimers over Knighton and Norton, Llywelyn may have decided to cut his losses and give away the properties with Gwladys. The pragmatic value of such an act would have overridden the issue of her maternity. It is my understanding that legally Llywellyn could have given the properties away with the consent of Joan, anyway.
Also in 1229, Gwladys Dhu accompanied her brother as widow of Reginald de Braose for the purpose of negotiations in London for her to become bride of Ralph Mortimer? If this is the case, we cannot draw any conclusions about her maternity from this event.
[GMacGen@aol.com] Giles tells us that Peter C. Bartrum's _Welsh Genealogies_ [table Gruffudd ap Cynan 4] gives the mother of Gwladys Ddu as Tangwystl. Here is what is shown in Peter C. Bartrum's Welsh Genealogies, page 446, Gruffudd ap Cynan 4:
They had the following children:
M i Roger De MORTIMER was born in 1221. He died on 27 Oct 1282. F ii Joan MORTIMER was born about 1223 in Of, Wigmore, Hereford, England. M iii Hugh MORTIMER was born about 1233 in Of Wigmore, Herefordshire, England. He died about Jan 1273. M iv John De MORTIMER was born about 1235 in Of Wigmore, Herefordshire, England. M v Peter De MORTIMER was born about 1237 in Of Wigmore, Herefordshire, England. F vi Isolda De MORTIMER was born about 1239 in Of, Wigmore, Kent, England.
Alfonso II "The Chaste" King Of ARAGÓN [Parents] was born before 25 Mar 1157 in Huesca, Spain. He died on 25 Apr 1196 in Pyrbenbees-Orientales, France. He married Sancha Queen Of ARAGÓN on 18 Jan 1174/1175 in , Zaragoza, Zaragoza, Spain.
Sancha Queen Of ARAGÓN [Parents] was born on 21 Sep 1154 in Of, Toledo, Castile. She died on 9 Nov 1208 in Monasterio De Jaen, Jaen, Jaen, Spain. She married Alfonso II "The Chaste" King Of ARAGÓN on 18 Jan 1174/1175 in , Zaragoza, Zaragoza, Spain.
They had the following children:
F i Constanza Princess Of ARAGÓN was born on 18 Jan 1174 in Of, Zaragoza, Zaragoza, Spain. She died on 23 Jun 1222. M ii Pedro II "The Catholic" King Of ARAGÓN was born about 1174/1176. He died on 14 Sep 1213. M iii Alfonso II Prince Of ARAGÓN was born about 1180. He died in Feb 1209. F iv Sancha Princess Of ARAGÓN was born about 1186 in Of Zaragoza, Spain. She died after 1241. M v Sancho Prince Of ARAGÓN was born about 1184 in Of Zaragoza, Spain. He died in (young). F vi Leonor Princess Of ARAGÓN was born about 1182 in Of, Zaragoza, Zaragoza, Spain. She died in Feb 1226. M vii Ramon Berenguer Prince Of ARAGÓN was born about 1188 in Of, Zaragoza, Zaragoza, Spain. He died in (young). M viii Fernando Prince Of ARAGÓN was born about 1190 in Of Zaragoza, Spain. He died in 1249. F ix Dulce Princess Of ARAGÓN was born about 1192 in Of, Zaragoza, Zaragoza, Spain.
Rutpert (Robert) WORMSGAU was born about 770. He died on 12 Jul 807. He married Theoderata (Tiedrada) Of WORMSGAU.
Theoderata (Tiedrada) Of WORMSGAU was born about 770. She died in 789. She married Rutpert (Robert) WORMSGAU.
They had the following children:
M i Rutpert (Robert) III Of WORMSGAU was born about 789.
James COLLEY.James married Fereby BUSH.
Fereby BUSH [Parents] was born about 1769 in , , Nc. She married James COLLEY.
Other marriages:COLLEY, James
Ebles II De POITIERS was born in 876 in Of Poitiers, Aquitaine. He died in 935. He married Elgiva Princess Of ENGLAND about 928 in , , , France.
Elgiva Princess Of ENGLAND [Parents] was born about 912 in , , England. She married Ebles II De POITIERS about 928 in , , , France.
They had the following children:
M i Guillaume III (I) Duke Of AQUITAINE was born about 929. He died on 3 Apr 963. M ii Ebles Abbot Of SAINT MARTIN was born about 931 in Of, Poitiers, Aquitaine. He died in 975.
Rollo ROGNVALDSSON was born about 846 in Of, Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway. He died about 931 in Of, Notre Dame, Rouen, Nornandie, Neustria. He was buried in Of, Notre Dame, Rouen, Nornandie, Neustria. He married Poppa Duchess Of NORMANDY in 891.
Poppa Duchess Of NORMANDY was born about 872 in Of, Evreux, Neustria. She married Rollo ROGNVALDSSON in 891.
They had the following children:
M i Guillaume I "Longue Epbee" Duke Of NORMANDY was born about 900 in Of, , Normandie, Neustria. He died on 17 Dec 942 in , , , France. F ii Adaele (Gerloc) Of NORMANDY was born about 897. She died after 14 Oct 962.
Ealhmund, Under-King Of KENT was born about 758 in Of, , Wessex, England. He died in 788. He was married in , , Wessex, England.
He had the following children:
M i Egbert, King Of WESSEX was born about 784. He died after 19 Nov 838.
Harold II GODWINSSON [Parents] was born about 1022 in Of Wessex, England. He was christened in Also Of, Isle Of Thanet, Kent, England. He died on 14 Oct 1066 in Senlac, Sussex, England. The cause of death was Battle of Hastings. He was buried in Waltham Abbey, Waltham Holy Cro, Essex, England. He married Edith SWANNECK.
Other marriages:ENGLAND, Ealdgyth Queen Of
It is impossible to state exactly the date of Harold's visit to Duke William in Normandy, although it is put at 1064. Probably Harold did make some kind of oath to William, most likely under compulsion. It is certain, however, that Harold helped William in a war with the Bretons.
On his return he married Ealdgyth, Griffith's widow, even though Edith Swan-neck, who had borne him five children, was still alive. In 1065 the Northumbrians rebelled against Tostig and Harold acquiesced in their choice of Morcar and Tostig's banishment. In January 1066 King Edward died. Harold, his nominee, was chosen king and crowned in Westminster Abbey.
Duke William lost no time in preparing for the invasion of England; and Tostig, after trying the Normans and the Scots, succeeded in drawing Harold Hardrada, King of Norway, to his side. In September the two reached the Humber and Harold marched to meet them. At Stamford Bridge he won a complete victory on 25 September 1066, Tostig and Harald Hardrada being among the slain. But four days later William landed at Pevensey. Harold marched southwards with the utmost dispatch and the two armies met at Senlac, about nine miles from Hastings. From nine in the morning, 14 November 1066, the English fought stubbornly until nightfall, when the pretended flight of the Normans drew them from their impregnable position and gave the Normans victory. Harold himself fell pierced through the eye with an arrow. His body was recognised by Edith Swan-neck and he was buried at Waltham.
Edith SWANNECK was born in 1025 in Wessex, England. She died in 1066. She married Harold II GODWINSSON.
They had the following children:
M i Godwine HAROLDSSON Prince of England was born about 1047 in Of, , Wessex, England. M ii Edmund HARALDSSON Prince of England was born about 1049 in Of, , Wessex, England. F iii Gyda HARALDSDATTER Princess of England was born about 1050. M iv Magnus HARALDSSON Prince of England was born about 1051 in Of Wessex, England. F v Gunhild HARALDSDATTER Princess of England was born about 1055 in Of, London, Middlesex, England.