George SETON [Parents] was born about 1508 in Of, Scotland. He died on 17 Jul 1549 in Culross, Fife, Scotland. He was buried in Seton, East Lothian, Scotland. He married Elizabeth HAY on 10 Apr 1527.
Elizabeth HAY [Parents] was born about 1510 in Culross, Fife, Scotland. She married George SETON on 10 Apr 1527.
They had the following children:
F i Marion Or Marriott SETON was born in 1528 in Of Seton, East Lothian, Scot. She died on 23 Jun 1567 in Dunrobin, Sutherland, Scotland. She was buried in Dunrobin, Sutherland, Scotland. M ii George SETON was born in 1531 in Of, Seton, Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland. He died on 8 Jan 1586. He was buried in Seton, East Lothian, Scotland. F iii Beatrix SETON was born about 1545. M iv James SETON was born about 1530 in , , , Scotland. M v John SETON was born about 1529 in , , , Scotland. M vi Robert SETON was born about 1542 in , , , Scotland. F vii Margaret SETON was born about 1523 in , , , Scotland. F viii Helenar SEATON was born about 1530 in , , , Scotland. F ix Beatrix SETON was born about 1533 in <Yester, , Scotland>.
George OGILVIE [Parents] was born about 1539 in Of, Dunlugas, Banffshire, Scotland. He married Beatrix SETON on 22 Feb 1557 in Of, Dunlugas, Banffshire, Scotland.
Beatrix SETON [Parents] was born about 1545 in Of Seton, Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland. She married George OGILVIE on 22 Feb 1557 in Of, Dunlugas, Banffshire, Scotland.
They had the following children:
F i Elizabeth OGILVIE was born about 1564 in Of, Dunlugas, Banffshire, Scotland. F ii Janet OGILVIE was born about 1580.
John (II) DOUGLAS [Parents] was born about 1675 in Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. He was christened on 16 May 1676 in Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. He died in 1749 in Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. He married Agnes HORN in 1700 in , , Scotland.
Agnes HORN was born about 1680 in Westhall, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. She married John (II) DOUGLAS in 1700 in , , Scotland.
They had the following children:
M i John DOUGLAS was born in 1709 in Of, Tilwhilly, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. He died on 18 Jan 1791 in Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. F ii Euphemia DOUGLAS was born in 1711. She died on 21 Dec 1766. F iii Isobel DOUGLAS was born about 1702 in Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. F iv Ann DOUGLASS was born about 1704 in Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland.
William FORBES was born about 1580 in Of Tolquhon, Tarves, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. He married Janet OGILVIE.
Janet OGILVIE [Parents] was born about 1580 in Of Dunglugus, Scotland. She married William FORBES.
They had the following children:
F i Janet FORBES was born about 1613 in <Of, Tolguhoun, Aberdeen-Shire, Scotland>. M ii Thomas FORBES was born about 1610. F iii Isabel FORBES was born about 1604 in Of, Tolguhoun, Aberdeen-Shire, Scotland. She died in Spm.
Charles IRVINE was born in 1696 in Of, Cults. He died on 28 Mar 1779 in Ga. He married Euphemia DOUGLAS on 7 Jun 1733.
Euphemia DOUGLAS [Parents] was born in 1711 in Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. She died on 21 Dec 1766. She married Charles IRVINE on 7 Jun 1733.
They had the following children:
M i John IRVINE was born on 15 Sep 1742. He died on 15 Oct 1808.
John SETON was born about 1428 in Of, Seton, East-Lothian, Scotland. He died before 19 Jul 1476 in V.p.. He married Christian LINDSAY on 20 Jun 1458/1459 in Disp.
Christian LINDSAY was born about 1430 in <Of, Seton, East-Lothian, Scotland>. She married John SETON on 20 Jun 1458/1459 in Disp.
They had the following children:
M i George SETON was born about 1431. He died before 6 Apr 1508.
Thomas FORBES [Parents] was born about 1610 in Of Tolguhoun, Aberdeen-Shire, Scotland.
He had the following children:
F i Grizel FORBES was born about 1645.
Thomas LUMLEY [Parents] was born about 1460 in Lumley, Durham, England. He died in 1487 in (vp). He married Elizabeth PLANTAGENET about 1508 in , Yorkshire, England.
Elizabeth PLANTAGENET [Parents] was born about 1460 in England. She married Thomas LUMLEY about 1508 in , Yorkshire, England. She had other parents.
If we put together what has been published about the mistresses of Edward
IV, we may get an interesting picture.Cahiers de Saint Louis, page 880, gives Edward IV
by Elisabeth/Elizabeth Waite
1.Arthur
by NN
2.Grace
3.Elisabeth/Elizabeth, she married her cousin Thomas, 4th Lord Lumley
(he wasn't a Lord Lumley!!!)The Plantagenet Encyclopedia, General Editor Elizabeth Hallam, page 160.
Arthur Plantagenet, died 1542. Illegitimate son of Edward IV of England and
Elizabeth Lucy, daughter of Thomas Wayte, a minor Hampshire gentleman. Their
affaire lasted from around Edward IV's accession in 1461 to his marriage to
Elizabeth Woodville in 1464.The Complete Peerage Volume VIII page 63.
Elizabeth suo jure Baroness Lisle, married (2) 12 November 1511
Arthur Plantagenet, illegitimate son of Edward IV. His mother's name is
unknown; by some said to be the "Lady Elizabeth Lucy" by others the
notorious Jane Shore, and by others one Elizabeth Waite, he himself being at
first known as Arthur Waite.Blood Royal, by Charles Mosley, pages65 and 166
He gives Edward IV nine legitimate children whereas Cahiers de Saint Louis
gives as a tenth legitimate child Brigitte 1480-1517.One less legitimate child but one more illegitimate one. However,
uncertainty is certainly indicated.
Edward IV is said to have had (a) a bastard son (Edward, of Wigmore, died
young 1468) by Eleanor, daughter of the 4th Earl of Ormonde.
====somehow I doubt this one, as wasn't Eleanor Butler supposedly engaged to
Edward IV? An engagement (if there was one) which should render the children
by Elizabeth Woodville illegitimate?(b) a bastard daughter (Elizabeth married Thomas Lumley and had issue) by a
woman referred to as "Lady Elizabeth Lucy" presumably wife of Sir William
Lucy who died in 1492 <snip> and (c) illegitimately either by Elizabeth (not
Jane) Shore (wife of William Shore, a London merchant) on whom he fathered a
bastard daughter Grace (living 1492, Or Elizabeth Waite;
===the link between Elizabeth Waite and what follows is, to me, not very
clear=====
4e.Arthur, surname originally Waite or Wayte, subsequently Plantagenet,
<snip> born circa 1470.What have we got from this? That Arthur was known as Arthur Waite, may give
an indication that his mother was Elizabeth Waite/Wayte. Elizabeth Hallam's
book makes this Elizabeth Waite a Mrs. Elizabeth Lucy. The Complete Peerage
makes this Mrs. Elizabeth a Lady Elizabeth Lucy. "Blood Royal" makes Lady
Elizabeth Lucy also mother of Elizabeth (Lumley).Elizabeth Hallam indicates as years of possible birth of the child(ren) of
Edward IV by Elizabeth Waite as about 1461 till 1464/5. "Blood Royal"
guesses that Arthur was born about 1470 and Richardson guesses "say 1475".
Richardson wants him to be as young as possible, because Arthur didn't marry
until 1511.If Arthur was born in 1463 he would have been about 48 when marrying,
if he was born in 1470 he would have been 41, if born in 1475 he would have
been about 36.However, we most not forget that he was in 1511 "only" the bastard brother
of the Queen, and also he married the widow of a disgraced man, disgraced
enough to be decapitated. And this, in my opinion, makes the age of Arthur,
when marrying, irrelevant, he could well have been 48 as easy as only 36.For the children of Thomas Lumley and Elizabeth "Plantagenet", Richardson
seems to follow Burke's Extinct Peerage,
one son, Richard (Lord Lumley)
and three daughters
Anne (wife of Robert Ogle)
Sibyl (wife of William Hilton
Elizabeth (wife of Robert Cresswell)Then follows a weird observation "Descendants (not traced)". Whose
descendants? Or, not traced by whom? Especially as earlier in his message he
notes that Gary Boyd Roberts indicated that there are American descendants
of Elizabeth Lumley.Cahiers de Saint Louis, which Richardson has learned to appreciate, gives
the same three daughters but instead of one son, gives four sons. The last
son, Roger, is important as he is an ancestor of Prince Charles (See Paget
O24907).That Richardson's remark "Descendants (not traced)" is ludicrous can also be
shown by the known acestry of just three of the children of Thomas and
Elizabeth Lumley (let's skip Roger, he has been shown to have descendants
till the present):Richard Lumley
he is an ancestor of the later Earls of Scarborough, HRH Richard, Duke of
Gloucester, Dukes of Buccleuch, Dukes of Northumberland, Marquess of
Exeter, Marquess of Linlithgow, Marquess of ZetlandAnne Lumley
she is ancestor of HM the Queen, Lady Diana Spencer, Sarah Ferguson, Dukes
of Atholl, Bedford, Northumberland, Richmond, Earls of Harewood and WarwickSybil Lumley
she is ancestor of HM the Queen, Lady Diana Spencer, Dukes of Abercorn,
Buccleuch, Devonshire, Marlborough, Westminster, Northumberland and the last
Duke of Leeds.Hope this is of some interest and helps.
As always, best wishes
Leo van de Pas
They had the following children:
M i Richard LUMLEY was born about 1478 in Ludworth Tower, Lumley, Durham, England. He died on 26 May 1510. M ii John LUMLEY was born about 1479 in Lumley, Durham, England. He died after 1483. F iii Ann LUMLEY was born about 1481 in Lumley, Durham, England. M iv George LUMLEY was born about 1483 in Lumley, Durham, England. F v Sibill LUMLEY was born about 1485 in Lumley, Durham, England. She died in , Yorkshire, England. She was buried in , Yorkshire, England. M vi Roger LUMLEY was born about 1487 in , Lumley, Durham, England. He died after 1530. F vii Elizabeth LUMLEY was born about 1488.
George SETON [Parents] was born about 1431 in Of, , , Scotland. He died before 6 Apr 1508. He married Margaret CAMPBELL on 14 Sep 1469 in Contract.
Margaret CAMPBELL was born about 1433 in <Of, , , Scotland>. She married George SETON on 14 Sep 1469 in Contract.
They had the following children:
F i Martha SETON was born about 1457 in <Of, , , Scotland>. M ii George SETON was born about 1481. He died on 9 Sep 1513.
John DOUGLAS was born before 1650 in Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. He married Grizel FORBES on 15 Feb 1666 in Ellon, Aberdeenshire, Scotland.
Grizel FORBES [Parents] was born about 1645 in Ellon, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. She married John DOUGLAS on 15 Feb 1666 in Ellon, Aberdeenshire, Scotland.
They had the following children:
M i John (II) DOUGLAS was born about 1675. He died in 1749.