Thomas HALE.Thomas married Thomasine DOWSETT.
Thomasine DOWSETT.Thomasine married Thomas HALE.
They had the following children:
F i Apphia HALE was born in 1637/1638. She died on 24 Dec 1708.
President William Jefferson CLINTON [Parents] was born on 19 Aug 1946 in Hope, Arkansas. He married Hillary Diane RODHAM on 11 Oct 1975. He was related to his parents by adoption. He had other parents.
Other marriages:RODHAM, Hillary Diane
Hillary Diane RODHAM [Parents] [scrapbook] was born on 26 Oct 1947 in Chicago, Illinois. She married President William Jefferson CLINTON on 11 Oct 1975.
They had the following children:
F i Chelsea Victoria CLINTON was born on 27 Feb 1980 in Little Rock, AR.
Roger CLINTON was born on 25 Jul 1909. He died in Nov 1967. He married Virginia Dell CASSIDY on 19 Jun 1950 in Hot Springs, AR.
SSN 432-03-8618
Virginia Dell CASSIDY [Parents] was born on 6 Jun 1923 in Bodcaw, Nevada Co., AR. She died on 6 Jan 1994 in Hot Springs, AR. She was buried in Rose Hill Cemetery. She married Roger CLINTON on 19 Jun 1950 in Hot Springs, AR.
Other marriages:CLINTON, Roger
BLYTHE, William Jefferson Jr.
DWIRE, George Jefferson
KELLEY, Dick
DWIRE, George Jefferson
KELLEY, Dick
She did not have a Social Security Number, or at least I have not been able to find one.
They had the following children:
M i President William Jefferson CLINTON was born on 19 Aug 1946. M ii Roger Cassidy CLINTON Jr. was born on 25 Jul 1956.
Juan Carlos Teresa Silvestre Alfonso DE BORBON [Parents] was born on 20 Jun 1913. He died on 1 Apr 1993. He married Maria de las Mercedes BOURBON TWO-SICILIES on 12 Oct 1935.
Other marriages:BOURBON TWO-SICILIES, Maria de las Mercedes
Maria de las Mercedes BOURBON TWO-SICILIES was born on 23 Dec 1910. She married Juan Carlos Teresa Silvestre Alfonso DE BORBON on 12 Oct 1935.
They had the following children:
M i Juan Carlos DE BORBON King of Spain was born in 1938.
Edward IV King Of ENGLAND [Parents] was born on 28 Apr 1442 in , Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France. He was christened in Cathedrale, Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France. He died on 9 Apr 1483 in Palace, Westminster, Middlesex, England. He was buried on 18 Apr 1483 in St. George's Chapel, Windsor, Berkshire, England. He married Elizabeth WAYTE Mistress- Not Married in Not Married.
Other marriages:WYDEVILLE, Elizabeth
WAYTE, Elizabeth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_IV_of_England
From: royalancestry@msn.com (Douglas Richardson)
A few days ago, I posted a list of the known illegitimate children of Edward IV, King of England (died 1483). Since posting, I've been contacted by two newsgroup members each of whom has added a new potential illegitimate child of King Edward IV. On my own, I've found additional sources for two of the previously identified illegitimate children. I've also found a reference to yet another alleged illegitimate daughter in a late visitation who reputedly married into the Musgrave family. I haven't included that child in the list below, as I haven't yet confirmed that such a child and marriage occurred.
If anyone has anything to add to the information below or possesses any information on a possible illegitimate daughter who married a Musgrave, please post that information here on the newsgroup or contact me at my e-mail address below.
Many thanks to Peter Sutton and James Trabue for sharing their information with me.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
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List of Illegitimate Children of King Edward IVIllegitimate child of Edward IV of England, by an unknown mistress,
possibly Elizabeth Lucy:i. ELIZABETH PLANTAGENET, married before 1477 THOMAS LUMLEY, Knt., son
and heir apparent of George Lumley, Knt., Lord Lumley, by Elizabeth,
daughter and heiress of Roger Thornton, Esq. They had four sons,
Richard [Lord Lumley], John, George, and Roger, Esq., and three
daughters, Anne (wife of Robert Ogle, 4th Lord Ogle), Sibyl (wife of
William Hilton, Knt., de jure 9th Lord Hylton), and Elizabeth (wife of
Robert Cresswell, Esq.). SIR THOMAS LUMLEY was living 27 Oct. 1495,
and died prior to 1507. Descendants (not traced). [Note: Additional
evidence of Elizabeth's parentage may be seen in the papal
dispensation granted in 1489 for Elizabeth's son, Richard Lumley, to
marry Anne Conyers, they being related in the [3rd and] 4th degree of
kindred. A dispensation was needed for this marriage, as the two
parties were both descended from Ralph Neville, K.G., 1st Earl of
Westmorland, and his wife, Joan Beaufort (see Testamenta Eboracensia 3
(Surtees Soc., vol. 45) (1865): 355)]. Collins-Brydges, Peerage of
England 3 (1812): 703 (citing MS. E. 6, f. 5, b. in Offic. Arm.). R.
Surtees, Hist. & Antiq. of the County Palatine of Durham 2 (1820): 139
(Lumley monument in Chester-le-Street, co. Durham church: " ... inde
pater efficitur illius Thomae qui ex magni Regis Edovardi quarti filia
naturali, Richardum susceperat ..."), 140 (monumental inscription at
Chester-le-Street: "Sir Thomas Lumley, Knight, sonne of George Lord
Lumley, maried Elizabeth, daughter naturel to Kinge Edwarde the
fourth, and he died in the life of his father, and had issue Richard
Lord Lumley") (Elizabeth's arms: 1. France and England; 2. a plain
cross of Ulster; 3. as 2; 4. barry of six, on a chief three pallets,
between two esquires' bastions, dexter and sinister, an inescutcheon
Argent, Mortimer, over all a bar sinister), 162-164 (Lumley chart).
Surtees Soc. 41 (1862): 27 (1530 Vis. Durham) (Lumley pedigree:
"Thomas Lumley, son and heyre to George, maried Elisabeth, bastard
doughter to Kyng Edward the iiijth"). R. Surtees, Hist. & Antiq. of
the County Palatine of Durham 2 (1820): 163-164. H.S.P. 16 (1881):
189-190 (1563/4 Vis. Yorkshire) (Lumley pedigree: "Thomas Lord Lomley
son & heyr to George = Elsabeth bastard doughter to Kyng Edward the
Fourth"). J. Foster, Pedigrees Recorded at the Visitations of the
County Palatine of Durham (1887), pg. 216 (Lumley pedigree: "Thomas
Lumley, son and heire = Elizabeth, bastard dau. of Edward IV"). C.P.
7 (1929): 30 (sub Hylton); 8 (1932): 274 (sub Lumley); 10 (1945):
33-34. TAG 50 (1974): 81-86. M.S. Byrne, The Lisle Letters (1981)
[citing Harleian MS. 4033, f. 21 (23) v; Leland's Itinerary VI, f.
63]. Chris Given-Wilson & A. Curteis, Royal Bastards of Medieval
England (1984), pp. 160-161,179.Illegitimate child of Edward IV of England, by a mistress, Elizabeth
Wayte:i. ARTHUR PLANTAGENET (otherwise ARTHUR WAYTE), K.G., King’s
Spear, Esquire of the Body, Sheriff of Hampshire, Vice-Admiral of
England, Trier of Petitions in Parliament, Governor of Calais, Warden
of the Cinque Ports, Privy Councillor, born say 1475 (presumed to be
“my Lord the Bastard” mentioned in an Exchequer account
dated 1477, first occurs as an adult in 1501). He married (1st) 12
Nov. 1511 ELIZABETH GREY, suo jure Baroness Lisle, widow of Edmund
Dudley, Esq. (beheaded 18 Aug. 1510), and daughter and heiress of
Edward Grey, Knt., Viscount Lisle, by his 1st wife, Elizabeth,
daughter of John Talbot, Knt., Viscount Lisle. They had three
daughters, Frances (wife of John Basset and Thomas Monke), Elizabeth
(wife of Francis Jobson, Knt), and Bridget (wife of William Carden,
Knt.). In 1514 he was captain of the Vice-Admiral's ship "Trinity
Sovereign." He attended the King at the Field of Cloth of Gold in
1520. In consequence of his marriage, he was created 25 Apr. 1523
Viscount Lisle. In 1528 he purchased the manors of Segenworth, Chark,
Lee, Sutton, West Stratton, etc., Hampshire from his cousin, John
Wayte, Esq., of Titchfield. Arthur married (2nd) in 1529 Honor
Grenville, widow of John Basset, Knt. (died 31 Jan. 1522/9), and
daughter of Thomas Grenville, Knt., by his 1st wife, Isabel, daughter
of Otes Gilbert, Knt. They had no issue. He was imprisoned in the
Tower of London on suspicion of treason 19 May 1540. SIR ARTHUR
PLANTAGENET, Viscount Lisle, died there 3 Mar. 1541/2. His widow,
Honor, was buried at Logan, Cornwall 30 Apr. 1566. Modern descendants
(not traced). J. Burke, General & Heraldic Dictionary of the Peerages
... Extinct, Dormant, and in Abeyance (1831), pp. 433,513-514. G.F.
Beltz, Memorials of the Most Noble Order of the Garter (1841), pg.
clxxii. H.S.P. 2 (1870): 74-75 (1619 Vis. Leicester) (Gray pedigree:
"Elizab. [Gray] Nupta Edm. Dudley postea Arthur Plantagenet"); 16
(1881): 308-310 (1563/4 Vis. Yorkshire) (Talbot pedigree: "Elsabeth
[Talbot] doughter & sole heyre [1] = Edmond Dudley on of the Prevy
Consell to Kyng Henry 7th., [2]= Arthur Plantagenet bastard son to
Edward IV. 2 husband"). J.L. Vivian, Visitations of the County of
Devon (1895), pp. 46-47,569. D.N.B. 15 (1909): 1285-1287 (biog. of
Arthur Plantagenet). List of Early Chan. Proc. 5 (1912):
288,358,465,472.473; 6 (1922): 109,134. C.L. Scofield, Life and Reign
of Edward the Fourth 2 (1923): 56,161. C.P. 8 (1932): 63-68 (sub
Lisle). Cal. of Ancient Deeds - Series B Pt. 3 (List & Index Soc.,
vol. 113) (1975): B.10780, B.12180. Ancient Deeds Series BB (List &
Index Soc., vol. 137) (1977), pp. 80-81,83,90. M.S. Byrne, The Lisle
Letters 2 (1981): 63 (Arthur Plantagenet styled "cousin" by Margaret
Pole, Countess of Salisbury); 1 (1981): 481, 4{1981): 140 (instances
of Henry Pole, Lord Montagu, styled "cousin" to Arthur Plantagenet).
Exchequer Ancient Deeds - DD Series (List & Index Soc., vol. 200)
(1983), pp. 193,207. C. Given-Wilson & A. Curteis, Royal Bastards of
Medieval England (1984), pp. 158,161-174.Alleged illegitimate children of Edward IV of England, by an unknown
mistress (or mistresses), _____:i. GRACE PLANTAGENET, said to be present in 1492 on the funeral barge
of Queen Elizabeth Wydeville, widow of King Edward IV. C. Ross,
Edward IV (1974), pg. 316, foonote 2 (citing BM Arundel MS. 26, ff.
29v-30v). C. Given-Wilson & A. Curteis, Royal Bastards of Medieval
England (1984), pp. 158,161-174.ii. _____ PLANTAGENET (daughter), married (as his 1st wife) JOHN
AUDLEY (or TUCHET), younger son of John Audley (or Tuchet), Knt., 6th
Lord Audley, Lord Treasurer of England, by Anne, daughter of Thomas
Echingham, Knt. They had no issue. Collections for a History of
Staffordshire n.s. 12 (1909): 229. MS. pedigree of Audley family
dated 1618 on file at the William SaltCollection at the William Salt
Library in Stafford, England. (These citations kindly provided by
Peter Sutton).iii. MARY PLANTAGENET, married after 1485 (as his 2nd wife) HENRY
HARMAN, of Ellam (in Crayford), Kent, Clerk of the Crown to King Henry
VII, son of Thomas and Elizabeth Harman. HENRY HARMAN left a will
dated 1501, proved 1502 (P.C.C., 15 Blamyr), naming his deceased wife,
Agnes, his living wife, Mary, and eleven children, George, William,
Thomas, Roger, John, Henry, Robert, Elizabeth (wife of _____ Sparke),
Alice, Beatrice, and Anne. The maternity of the children is
uncertain, but at least the two youngest sons were by Henry Harman's
last wife, Mary, as indicated by Henry's will. Misc. Gen. et Her. 4th
ser. 2 (1908): 227-228 (Harman pedigree) (no identification of wives).
H.S.P. 74 (1923): 61-62 (1574 Vis. Kent) (Harman pedigree: "Henry
Harman Clarke of ye Crowne vnto H: 7 ... This man [Henry Harman] was
H: 7 man to whome he gaue the clarkeship of the Crowne and with all
gaue him the Crest belowe*, depick[t]ed one his armes which Crist was
giuen him after hee had maried with E: 4 daughter") (The latter
citation kindly supplied by James Trabue).Below is a list of the illegitimate children of King Edward IV of
England taken from variety of sources. The list includes no new
names, but I've commented on additional evidence which appears to
prove the parentage of Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Lumley. Gary Boyd
Roberts's useful book, RD 500, indicates that there are American
descendants of Elizabeth Lumley.There seems to be confusion in surviving records between King Edward
IV's mistresses, Dame Elizabeth Lucy and Elizabeth Wayte. I suspect
the two women were separate and distinct individuals. King Edward IV
is alleged to have had issue by Elizabeth Lucy prior to his marriage
to Queen Elizabeth Wydeville in 1464. I presume that issue was King
Edward IV's bastard daughter, Elizabeth Lumley, who married in or
before 1477. Elizabeth Wayte's son, Arthur, on the other hand,
doesn't occur in records as an adult until 1501 and didn't marry until
1511. This suggests a rather wide gap in ages between the two
bastards, Elizabeth Lumley and Arthur Plantagenet. My best guess is
that Elizabeth Lumley was born say 1460/2 and that Arthur Plantagenet
was born say 1475.If anyone has any corrections or additions to the list below, I'd
appreciate it if they would post them here on the newsgroup.Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
Elizabeth WAYTE.Elizabeth married Edward IV King Of ENGLAND Mistress- Not Married in Not Married.
If we put together what has been published about the mistresses of Edward
IV, we may get an interesting picture.Cahiers de Saint Louis, page 880, gives Edward IV
by Elisabeth/Elizabeth Waite
1.Arthur
by NN
2.Grace
3.Elisabeth/Elizabeth, she married her cousin Thomas, 4th Lord Lumley
(he wasn't a Lord Lumley!!!)The Plantagenet Encyclopedia, General Editor Elizabeth Hallam, page 160.
Arthur Plantagenet, died 1542. Illegitimate son of Edward IV of England and
Elizabeth Lucy, daughter of Thomas Wayte, a minor Hampshire gentleman. Their
affaire lasted from around Edward IV's accession in 1461 to his marriage to
Elizabeth Woodville in 1464.The Complete Peerage Volume VIII page 63.
Elizabeth suo jure Baroness Lisle, married (2) 12 November 1511
Arthur Plantagenet, illegitimate son of Edward IV. His mother's name is
unknown; by some said to be the "Lady Elizabeth Lucy" by others the
notorious Jane Shore, and by others one Elizabeth Waite, he himself being at
first known as Arthur Waite.Blood Royal, by Charles Mosley, pages65 and 166
He gives Edward IV nine legitimate children whereas Cahiers de Saint Louis
gives as a tenth legitimate child Brigitte 1480-1517.One less legitimate child but one more illegitimate one. However,
uncertainty is certainly indicated.
Edward IV is said to have had (a) a bastard son (Edward, of Wigmore, died
young 1468) by Eleanor, daughter of the 4th Earl of Ormonde.
====somehow I doubt this one, as wasn't Eleanor Butler supposedly engaged to
Edward IV? An engagement (if there was one) which should render the children
by Elizabeth Woodville illegitimate?(b) a bastard daughter (Elizabeth married Thomas Lumley and had issue) by a
woman referred to as "Lady Elizabeth Lucy" presumably wife of Sir William
Lucy who died in 1492 <snip> and (c) illegitimately either by Elizabeth (not
Jane) Shore (wife of William Shore, a London merchant) on whom he fathered a
bastard daughter Grace (living 1492, Or Elizabeth Waite;
===the link between Elizabeth Waite and what follows is, to me, not very
clear=====
4e.Arthur, surname originally Waite or Wayte, subsequently Plantagenet,
<snip> born circa 1470.What have we got from this? That Arthur was known as Arthur Waite, may give
an indication that his mother was Elizabeth Waite/Wayte. Elizabeth Hallam's
book makes this Elizabeth Waite a Mrs. Elizabeth Lucy. The Complete Peerage
makes this Mrs. Elizabeth a Lady Elizabeth Lucy. "Blood Royal" makes Lady
Elizabeth Lucy also mother of Elizabeth (Lumley).Elizabeth Hallam indicates as years of possible birth of the child(ren) of
Edward IV by Elizabeth Waite as about 1461 till 1464/5. "Blood Royal"
guesses that Arthur was born about 1470 and Richardson guesses "say 1475".
Richardson wants him to be as young as possible, because Arthur didn't marry
until 1511.If Arthur was born in 1463 he would have been about 48 when marrying,
if he was born in 1470 he would have been 41, if born in 1475 he would have
been about 36.However, we most not forget that he was in 1511 "only" the bastard brother
of the Queen, and also he married the widow of a disgraced man, disgraced
enough to be decapitated. And this, in my opinion, makes the age of Arthur,
when marrying, irrelevant, he could well have been 48 as easy as only 36.For the children of Thomas Lumley and Elizabeth "Plantagenet", Richardson
seems to follow Burke's Extinct Peerage,
one son, Richard (Lord Lumley)
and three daughters
Anne (wife of Robert Ogle)
Sibyl (wife of William Hilton
Elizabeth (wife of Robert Cresswell)Then follows a weird observation "Descendants (not traced)". Whose
descendants? Or, not traced by whom? Especially as earlier in his message he
notes that Gary Boyd Roberts indicated that there are American descendants
of Elizabeth Lumley.Cahiers de Saint Louis, which Richardson has learned to appreciate, gives
the same three daughters but instead of one son, gives four sons. The last
son, Roger, is important as he is an ancestor of Prince Charles (See Paget
O24907).That Richardson's remark "Descendants (not traced)" is ludicrous can also be
shown by the known acestry of just three of the children of Thomas and
Elizabeth Lumley (let's skip Roger, he has been shown to have descendants
till the present):Richard Lumley
he is an ancestor of the later Earls of Scarborough, HRH Richard, Duke of
Gloucester, Dukes of Buccleuch, Dukes of Northumberland, Marquess of
Exeter, Marquess of Linlithgow, Marquess of ZetlandAnne Lumley
she is ancestor of HM the Queen, Lady Diana Spencer, Sarah Ferguson, Dukes
of Atholl, Bedford, Northumberland, Richmond, Earls of Harewood and WarwickSybil Lumley
she is ancestor of HM the Queen, Lady Diana Spencer, Dukes of Abercorn,
Buccleuch, Devonshire, Marlborough, Westminster, Northumberland and the last
Duke of Leeds.Hope this is of some interest and helps.
As always, best wishes
Leo van de PasThere seems to be confusion in surviving records between King Edward
IV's mistresses, Dame Elizabeth Lucy and Elizabeth Wayte. I suspect
the two women were separate and distinct individuals. King Edward IV
is alleged to have had issue by Elizabeth Lucy prior to his marriage
to Queen Elizabeth Wydeville in 1464. I presume that issue was King
Edward IV's bastard daughter, Elizabeth Lumley, who married in or
before 1477. Elizabeth Wayte's son, Arthur, on the other hand,
doesn't occur in records as an adult until 1501 and didn't marry until
1511. This suggests a rather wide gap in ages between the two
bastards, Elizabeth Lumley and Arthur Plantagenet. My best guess is
that Elizabeth Lumley was born say 1460/2 and that Arthur Plantagenet
was born say 1475.If anyone has any corrections or additions to the list below, I'd
appreciate it if they would post them here on the newsgroup.Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
They had the following children:
F i Elizabeth PLANTAGENET was born about 1460.
Albert VON SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN was born on 15 Mar 1863. He died on 23 Apr 1948. He married Hertha of YSENBURG-BÜDINGEN.
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/
Hertha of YSENBURG-BÜDINGEN.Hertha married Albert VON SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN.
They had the following children:
F i Ortrud of SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN was born on 9 Dec 1925. She died on 6 Feb 1980.
Franz Ferdinand Karl Ludwig Joseph Maria Of AUSTRIA [Parents] was born on 18 Dec 1863 in Graz, Steiermark, Austria. He died on 28 Jun 1914 in Sarajevo, Bosna I Hercegovina, Yugoslavia. He was buried in Artstetten, Niederoesterreich, Austria. He married Countess Sophia VON CHOTKOWA UND WOGNIN in 1900.
Other marriages:VON CHOTKOWA UND WOGNIN, Sophia
Countess Sophia VON CHOTKOWA UND WOGNIN.Sophia married Franz Ferdinand Karl Ludwig Joseph Maria Of AUSTRIA in 1900.
Aaron HOBART was born on 9 Aug 1764. He married Susanna ADAMS.
Susanna ADAMS [Parents] was born on 7 Dec 1766. She died on 31 Dec 1826. She married Aaron HOBART.
William Reginald DUNCOMBE 1.William married Muriel Frances Louisa CHETWYND TALBOT.
Muriel Frances Louisa CHETWYND TALBOT 1.Muriel married William Reginald DUNCOMBE.
They had the following children:
F i Mabel Theresa DUNCOMBE was born on 16 Oct 1877.
Charles E. PINDELL.Charles married Mary.
Mary.Mary married Charles E. PINDELL.
They had the following children:
F i Geraldine Louise PINDELL was born on 3 Oct 1872. She died on 8 Oct 1918.