Richard BUSH [Parents] was born on 6 Jul 1589 in Stock, Essex Co, England. He married Mary.
Mary.Mary married Richard BUSH.
They had the following children:
M i John BUSH was born on 5 Feb 1624/1625.
John SPENCER was born about 1437 in Of, Wormleighton, Warwickshire, England. He was christened in Of, Hodnell, Warwickshire, England. He died in 1499. He was buried in , Hodnell, Warwickshire, England. He married Ann EMPSON.
Ann EMPSON was born about 1450 in Of, Towcester, Northamptonshire, England. She married John SPENCER.
They had the following children:
F i Jane SPENCER was born in 1465. She died on 12 Feb 1525.
Malcolm III "Ceanmor (Longneck)" I King Of SCOTLAND [Parents] was born about 1033 in Of, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland. He died on 13 Nov 1093 in Alnwick, Northumberland, England. He was buried in Holy Trinity Church, Dumferline, Fifeshire, Scotland. He married Ingeborg FINNSDATTER about 1059 in Of, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland.
Other marriages:SCOTLAND, Margaret "Atheling" Queen Of
Ingeborg FINNSDATTER [Parents] was born about 1021 in Of, Osteraat, Yrje, Norway. She died about 1066. She married Malcolm III "Ceanmor (Longneck)" I King Of SCOTLAND about 1059 in Of, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland.
They had the following children:
M i Malcolm Prince Of SCOTLAND was born about 1062 in , , , Scotland. He died in 1085 in Unmd. M ii Donald Prince Of SCOTLAND was born about 1062/1067 in , , , Scotland. He died in 1085 in Unmd. M iii Duncan II, King Of SCOTLAND was born in 1060/1066. He died on 12 Nov 1094.
Duncan I King Of SCOTLAND [Parents] was born about 1013 in Of, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland. He died on 14 Aug 1040 in Iona, Near Elgin, Scotland (killed By Macbeth). He was buried in Iona, Near Elgin, Scotland. He married Sibyl FITZSIWARD in 1030 in , , , Scotland.
Sibyl FITZSIWARD [Parents] was born about 1014 in Of, , Northumberland, England. She died in 1040. She married Duncan I King Of SCOTLAND in 1030 in , , , Scotland.
They had the following children:
M i Malcolm III "Ceanmor (Longneck)" I King Of SCOTLAND was born about 1033. He died on 13 Nov 1093. M ii Melmare (Maelmuire) (Melkofr) Earl Of ATHOLL was born about 1045 in Of, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland. M iii Donald "Bane" III King Of SCOTLAND was born about 1033/1034 in Of, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland. He died after 1097 in , Rescobie, Angusshire, Scotland. He was buried in Iona, Argyllshire, Scotland. M iv Duncan Earl Of MORAY was born about 1038 in Of, , Morayshire, Scotland.
Llewelyn Ap IORWERTH Llewelyn the Great [Parents] was born in 1173 in Aberffraw Castle, Caernarvonshire, Wales. He died on 11 Apr 1240 in Aberconwy, Arllechwedd Isaf, Caernarvonshire, Wales. He married Joan Princess Of ENGLAND in 1205 in England.
Other marriages:LLYWARCH, Tangwystl Verch
Unknown
Having followed the various threads on this subject, is the following correct?
Llywellyn Fawr (1194-1240)
Married [1] Joan Plantagenet (c 1189-1236)Children:
Gwladus Ddu (1206-1251) m[1] Reginald de Braose
m[2] Ralph Mortimer
Margaret m[1] John de Braose
m[2] Walter de Clifford
Angharad
Dafydd (1208-1246) m Isabel de Braose
Susanna
Ellen (Helen) m[1] Malcolm, Earl of Fife
m[2] DonaldMarried [2] Gwenllian of Brynffenigi
Children:
Helen m[1] John le Scot
m[2] Robert de Quincey
GwenllianMistress: Tangwystl ferch Llywarch Goch
Child: Gruffydd (1196-1244)
Graeme Wall <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk>
My genealogy website:
http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/index.html
Dave Utzinger posted on this based on the an article by William Addams
Reitwiesner in The Genealogist, vol. 1, no. 1 (Spring 1980), pp. 80-95. This
is his list:Descendants of Llywelyn ap Iorworth
1 Llywelyn ap Iorworth b: Abt. 1173 in Dolyddelan, Wales d: 11 April
1240 in Aberconway Abbey, Carnarvonshire, Wales
. +Tangwystl verch Llwarch b: Abt. 1168 in of Rhos, Wales d: Bef. 1205
2 Gruffudd ap Llewellyn b: Bef. 1205 d: 01 March 1243/44 in London,
ENG
. +Senena ferch Caradog
*2nd Wife of Gruffudd ap Llewellyn:
. +Rhanullt
*2nd Wife of Llywelyn ap Iorworth:
. +Joan Plantagenet b: Abt. 1191 d: 02 February 1236/37 in Aber
Palace, Carnarvon, Wales
2 Elen verch Llywelyn b: in Gwynedd, Wales d: Bef. 24 October
1253
. +John of Scotland b: 1207 m: 1222 d: Abt. 06 June 1237
*2nd Husband of Elen verch Llywelyn:
. +Robert de Quincey b: Abt. 1176 m: Aft. 06 June 1237 d: Abt. 1257
2 Dafydd ap Llywelyn b: Abt. 1208 d: 12 February 1245/46 in Aber
. +Concubine
*2nd Wife of Dafydd ap Llywelyn:
. +Isabel de Braose b: Abt. 1215 m: Abt. 10 August 1230 d: Bef. 1248
*3rd Wife of Llywelyn ap Iorworth:
. +Unknown
2 Gwenllian of Wales d: 1281
. +William de Lacy
2 Angharad verch Llewelyn
. +Maelgwn Fychan d: 1257
2 Tegwared y Baiswen
. +Gwenllian ferch Ednyfed ap Cynwrig
2 Angharad verch Llywelyn
. +Philip ap Ivor
2 Daughter verch Llywelyn
. +William Caentwn
2 Gwladys Dhu of Wales b: Abt. 1194 in of Gwynedd, Wales d: 1251 in
Windsor, BRK, ENG
. +Reginald de Braose b: Abt. 1171 in Bramber, SSX, ENG m: 1215
d: Bet. 05 May 1227 - 09 June 1228 in Brecon, Breconshire, Wales
*2nd Husband of Gwladys Dhu of Wales:
. +Ralph de Mortimer b: 1190 in of Wigmore, HEF, ENG m: 1230 d: 06
August 1246 in Wigmore, HRT, ENG
2 Margred verch Llewellyn b: Abt. 1208 in Wales (North) d: 1268
. +John de Breuse b: Abt. 1198 m: Abt. 1220 d: Abt. 02 November
1232 in Bramber, SUS, ENG
*2nd Husband of Margred verch Llewellyn:
. +Walter III de Clifford b: Abt. 1186 in ENG m: Abt. 1232 in SSX, ENGd: Abt. 23 December 1263 in Clifford
2 Helen verch Llewellyn b: Abt. 1234 in of Wales
. +Malcolm MacDuff b: Bef. 1228 d: 1266
*2nd Husband of Helen verch Llewellyn:
. +Donald de Mar d: Aft. 25 July 1297
Joan Princess Of ENGLAND [Parents] was born in 1188 in Of, London, Middlesex, England. She died on 3 Apr 1236 in Aberconwy, Arllechwedd Isaf, Caernarvonshire, Wales. She was buried in Llan-Faes, Dindaethwy, Anglesey, Wales. She married Llewelyn Ap IORWERTH Llewelyn the Great in 1205 in England. She had other parents.
The only place where her mother is named is in the Tewkesbury Annals, where
Joan's death is recorded. The Tewkesbury annalist says Joan was a daughter
of King John and of "Regina Clementia". Nobody knows who this "Queen
Clementia" was.William Addams Reitwiesner
wrei@erols.com
They had the following children:
F i Elen (Helen) Verch LLEWELYN was born about 1206. She died before 24 Oct 1253. F ii Gwenllian "Las" Verch LLYWELYN was born about 1207. M iii Dafydd Ap LLYWELYN was born about 1209. He died in Mar 1246. F iv Margred Verch LLYWELYN was born about 1210. She died after 1263/1264. F v Angharad Verch LLYWELYN was born about 1212. F vi Miss Verch LLYWELYN was born about 1214. F vii Susanna FAWR.
There is an entry in the /Patent Rolls of the Reign of Henry III/
[1225-1232] (London, 1903), p. 230 (m. 11) that might suggest an area of
future research regarding this Clementia. This entry also provides evidence
for the existence of Susanna, daughter of Llywelyn and Joan.
-Robert BattleF viii Susanna FAWR.
There is an entry in the /Patent Rolls of the Reign of Henry III/
[1225-1232] (London, 1903), p. 230 (m. 11) that might suggest an area of
future research regarding this Clementia. This entry also provides evidence
for the existence of Susanna, daughter of Llywelyn and Joan.
-Robert BattleF ix Susanna FAWR.
There is an entry in the /Patent Rolls of the Reign of Henry III/
[1225-1232] (London, 1903), p. 230 (m. 11) that might suggest an area of
future research regarding this Clementia. This entry also provides evidence
for the existence of Susanna, daughter of Llywelyn and Joan.
-Robert BattleF x Susanna FAWR.
There is an entry in the /Patent Rolls of the Reign of Henry III/
[1225-1232] (London, 1903), p. 230 (m. 11) that might suggest an area of
future research regarding this Clementia. This entry also provides evidence
for the existence of Susanna, daughter of Llywelyn and Joan.
-Robert Battle
John BEAUCHAMP [Parents] was born on 4 Oct 1306 in Hatch, Somersetshire, England. He died on 19 May 1343. He married Margaret SAINT JOHN about 1328 in Of, Hatch, Somersetshire, England.
Margaret SAINT JOHN [Parents] was born about 1308 in Of, Hatch, Somersetshire, England. She died on 19 Nov 1361. She married John BEAUCHAMP about 1328 in Of, Hatch, Somersetshire, England.
They had the following children:
F i Eleanor BEAUCHAMP was born about 1307. She died on 13 Jun 1391. M ii John De BEAUCHAMP was born on 20 Jan 1329 in Stoke-Under-Hamden, Somersetshire, England. He died on 8 Oct 1361 in Sp. M iii Edward BEAUCHAMP was born about 1330 in Of, Hatch, Somersetshire, England. M iv William BEAUCHAMP was born about 1331 in Of, Hatch, Somersetshire, England. F v Cecily (Cecelia) BEAUCHAMP was born about 1334 in Of, Hatch, Somersetshire, England. She died on 7 Jun 1394. F vi Margaret BEAUCHAMP was born about 1326 in Of, Hatch, Somersetshire, England.
Barthelemy De L' ISLE BOUCHARD was born in 1049 in Of, Isle Bouchard, , France. He married Gerberge.
Gerberge was born in 1053 in Of, Isle Bouchard, , France. She married Barthelemy De L' ISLE BOUCHARD.
They had the following children:
F i Dangereuse (aka) Maubergeonne De L' ISLE BOUCHARD was born in 1079.
John "Lackland" King Of ENGLAND [Parents] was born on 24 Dec 1166 in Kings Manor House, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England. He died on 19 Oct 1216 in , Newark, Nottinghamshire, England. He was buried in Cathedral, Worcester, Worcestershire, England. He married Clementia.
Other marriages:TAILLEFER, Isabella De
FERRERS, Agatha De
GIFFORD, Matilda
ENGLAND, Mrs-John Concubine Of
ENGLAND, Mrs-John Concubine Of
FITZWARIN, Hawisa
ENGLAND, Mrs-John, Concubine Of
DE WARRENE,
DE WARRENE, Miss
PLANTAGENET, Miss
, Clementia
, Clementia
, Clementia
The following is a list of eleven bastard children of King John of
England which I've assembled from a variety of sources. If anyone has
any additions or corrections to this material, please let me know.
The first two children listed, Richard Fitz Roy (or de Warenne), Baron
of Chilham, Kent, and Joan, wife of Llywelyn ap Iowerth, Prince of
North Wales, have many modern descendants.Although sometimes questioned, I accept Isabel, wife of Richard Fitz
Ives, Knt., as a bastard daughter of King John. Isabel appears to
have modern descendants. Besides Isabel, I've also included a new
bastard child for King John not commonly found on such lists, namely
Maud Fitz Roy, Abbess of Barking, whose identity is proven by the
sources cited below.Sidney Painter, King John's historian, says of him: ".... cruel,
lecherous, and deceitful." Surely the number of illegitimate children
listed below for King John proves the lecherous part.Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
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BASTARD CHILDREN OF KING JOHN OF ENGLANDIllegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, _____ de
Warenne:i. RICHARD FITZ ROY (or DE WARENNE), Knt., Baron of Chilham, Kent,
married ROSE DE DOVER [see ATHOLL 4].Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, Clemence _____:
i. JOAN OF ENGLAND, married LLYWELYN AP IORWERTH, Prince of North
Wales [see WAKE 4].Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, Hawise _____:
i. OLIVER FITZ ROY. He defended Wolvesey Castle for Peter des Roches,
Bishop of Winchester, in 1216. In 1217 he was granted the lands
formerly held by Peter Fitz Herbert to sustain him in the king';s
service. In 1218 he arrived with other English knights at Damietta in
the company of Papal legate, Pelayo. He did not return. H.R. Luard,
Chronica Majora 3 (1876): 40-41. C.P.R., 1216-1225 (1901), pp.
42-43,92. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR
119 (1965): 94-102. J.M. Powell, Anatomy of a Crusade (1986), pg.
235. N. Vincent, Peter des Roches (1996), pp. 71,175.Illegitimate children of John of England, by an unknown mistress (or
mistresses):i. ISABEL FITZ ROY, married RICHARD FITZ IVES, Knt., lord of Degembris
(in Newlyn East), Cornwall. They had two sons, William Fitz Richard,
Knt. (of Degembris and Penhallow [both in Newlyn East], Lanisley, and
Rosneython [in St. Keverne]) and Richard Fitz Richard (clerk), and one
daughter, Isabel (wife of Belyn Hellegan, Knt.). He gave tithes in
Gruguth (in St. Keverne), Cornwall. SIR RICHARD FITZ IVES died in
1207. Modern descendants (not traced in this book). Herald and
Genealogist 7 (1873): 229-231. Sir John Maclean, Parochial and Family
Hist. of the Deanery of Trigg Minor 1 (1876): 317. J.L. Vivian,
Visitations of Cornwall (1887), pg. 30. J.H. Rowe, Cornwall Feet of
Fines 1 (1914): 17,49,54-55,58-59,91-92,171,438-440. NEHGR 119
(1965): 94-102. Harleian MS. 4031, ff. 76b,81 (not seen).ii. JOHN FITZ ROY, evidently a clerk, supported by the custodians of
the see of Lincoln in 1201. D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1201 (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 14) (1936), pp.
xix,192-193. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233.
NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102.iii. GEOFFREY FITZ ROY. In 1204 he received a loan by the pledge of
William Longespée, Earl of Salisbury, and Peter de Stokes. In 1205 he
led an expedition into Poitou and died the same year. Curia Regis
Rolls 3 (1926): 321 (suit dated 1205: "... quam diu predictus Radulfus
[de Trublevill] fuerit in servicio nostro in Pictavia cum Gaufrido
filio nostro"). D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe Michaelmas 1204
(Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 18) (1940), pp.
xxxv-xxxvj,xlj,33,60,87,131. D.M. Stenton Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1205 (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 19) (1941), pp.
xviij-xix,19,79-80. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp.
232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102.iv. HENRY FITZ ROY, Knt., of Waltham, Ashby, Brigsley, Gonerby (in
Hatcliffe), Hawerby, and North Coates, co. Lincoln, and Chilham, Kent.
He was sent as a student to the Prior of Kenilworth in 1207. In 1215
he was granted the lands of Robert Fitz Walter in Cornwall. In 1217
he and Ralph de Raleigh were granted the manor of Waltham, co. Lincoln
to sustain them in royal service. In 1231 he was granted all of the
land of Henry de la Vaugoz, a Norman, in the soke of Waltham, co.
Lincoln. He married before 1236 EVE DE WHITCHURCH, widow of William
de Champernoun (living 1230), of Umberleigh (in Atherington) and High
Bickington, Devon, and daughter and heiress of Reynold de Whitchurch,
of Shrivenham and Winterbourne (in Chieveley), co. Berks, by his 1st
wife, Alice, daughter and co-heiress of Nicholas de Bolney. They had
no issue. SIR HENRY FITZ ROY died shortly before 8 Apr. 1245. His
widow, Eve, married (3rd) before 30 June 1252 Giles de Clifford
(living 1276). C.Ch.R. 1 (1895): 137. J.L. Vivian, Visitations of
the County of Devon (1895), pp. 160. Book of Fees 1: 362,617; 2
(1923): 660,675,1021. C.P.R., 1232-1247 (1906), pp. 20,296,450.
C.C.R., 1237-1242 (1911), pg. 511. VCH Berkshire 4 (1924): 63,533.
C.C.R., 1251-1253 (1927), pg. 116. S. Painter, Reign of King John
(1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. C.P. 12 Pt. 2 (1959):
645 (sub Wilington). Curia Regis Rolls 13 (1959): 514; 15 (1972):
83,449. S.D. Church, Household Knights of King John (1999), pg. 127.v. OSBERT GIFFORD. In 1215 he received the lands of Thomas de Ardern
in Oxfordshire. In 1216 he likewise received Ardern's lands in
Norfolk, Suffolk, and Sussex. In 1216 he and his wife received safe
conduct to confer with King John. His subsequent history is unknown.
Ancestor 3 (1902): 227 (his arms: Ermine, 2 bars gules, a chief gules
with a leopard or in chief). Genealogist n.s. 28 (1922): 128-129. S.
Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965):
94-102.vi. EUDES FITZ ROY, of Canewdon, Essex. In 1233 he was granted lands
in Aldbury, co. Hertford. He had an exchequer fee iof £20 granted to
him in 1237. In 1240 he joined his half-brother, Richard, Earl of
Cornwall on a crusade to the Holy Land. EUDES FITZ ROY died there
testate shortly before 21 Jan. 1241/2. His lands in Essex were
granted to Giles de Chanceaus in 1242. No known descendants. G.
Oliver, Monasticon Diocesis Exonienses (1846), pg. 23. C.C.R.,
1231-1234 (1905), pg. 210. C.P.R., 1232-1247 (1906), pp. 179,270,314.
C.C.R., 1237-1242 (1911), pp. 387,532. Cal. Liberate Rolls 1 (1916),
pg. 263. N. Denholm-Young, Richard of Cornwall (1947), pp. 41,112.vii. BARTHOLOMEW FITZ ROY, clerk, papal chaplain, member of the order
of Friars Preachers, living Aug. 1254. Papal Registers: Letters 1
(1893): 281,286,305.viii. MAUD FITZ ROY, nun, elected Abbess of Barking 5 Aug. 1247; died
shortly before 6 Feb. 1252. Sir William Dugdale, Monasticon
Anglicanum 1 (1817): 437,441. VCH Essex 2 (1907): 120.Signed Magna Carta in 1215
The statement in the legitimization of Joan, daughter of king
John and wife of prince Llywelyn, that each of her parents were
unmarried at the time of her birth, does not imply she was born
prior to John's first marriage, to Isabelle de Clare in 1189.
This marriage had been annulled by the time of Joan's
legitimization, and would have been considered by the clerics
not to have occurred.It might be that the legitimization does imply that, by the
time of John's second marriage, to Isabelle of Angouleme, that
Joan's mother was either dead or had become a nun, otherwise the
legitimacy of king Henry III might have been called into
question.It might also be that the reference in Joan's obituary to her
mother as "queen Clementia" implies that Clemence, mother of
Joan, did not die or become a nun until after John's accession.I suspect that in the minds of the monks and clerics who
recorded things, these annulments and legitimizations created a
virtual world in which annulled real world marriages did not
exist, and appropriate legitimizing marriages did exist, with
all appropriate side effect implications, including Clemence
having been queen..- Paul K. Davis - paulkdavis@earthlink.net
Please find below a revised listing of the bastard children of King
John. The list has been augmented by many new references,
corrections, and additions since my last posting of this listing. The
new listing includes Philip "Fiz Le Rey" [i.e., Philip the king's
son]) found in a 1263 Sussex fine as a possible bastard child of King
John.Also, it appears there may be a link between Isabel, wife of Richard
Fitz Ives, and another royal bastard, Eudes Fitz Roy. I've learned
that in 1245, Isabel's son and heir, William Fitz Ives, sued Giles de
Chanceaux regarding property in Cornwall. This is surely the same man
who was granted Eudes Fitz Roy's properties in Essex on his death
without issue in 1242. The Fitz Ives and Chanceaux link deserves
further study.Comments are invited.
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REVISED LISTING OF BASTARD CHILDREN OF KING JOHN OF ENGLAND:
Legitimated child of John of England, by a mistress, Clemence _____:
Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, _____ de
Warenne, daughter of Hamelin, 5th Earl of Surrey, by Isabel, daughter
and heiress of William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey [see WARENNE 2]:i. OLIVER FITZ ROY. He defended Wolvesey Castle for Peter des Roches,
Bishop of Winchester, in 1216. In 1217 he was granted the lands
formerly held by Peter Fitz Herbert to sustain him in the king's
service. In 1218 he arrived with other English knights at Damietta in
the company of Papal legate, Pelayo. He did not return. H.R. Luard,
Chronica Majora 3 (1876): 40-41. C.P.R., 1216-1225 (1901), pp.
42-43,92. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR
119 (1965): 94-102. J.M. Powell, Anatomy of a Crusade (1986), pg.
235. N. Vincent, Peter des Roches (1996), pp. 71,175.i. JOHN FITZ ROY, evidently a clerk, supported by the custodians of
the see of Lincoln in 1201. D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1201 (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 14) (1936), pp.
xix,192-193. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233.
NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102.ii. GEOFFREY FITZ ROY. In 1204 he received a loan by the pledge of
William Longespée, Earl of Salisbury, and Peter de Stokes. In 1205 he
led an expedition into Poitou and died the same year. Curia Regis
Rolls 3 (1926): 321 (suit dated 1205: " ... quam diu predictus
Radulfus [de Trublevill] fuerit in servicio nostro in Pictavia cum
Gaufrido filio nostro"). D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1204 (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 18) (1940), pp.
xxxv-xxxvj,xlj,33,60,87,131. D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1205 (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 19) (1941), pp.
xviij-xix,19,79-80. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp.
232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102.iii. HENRY FITZ ROY, Knt., of Waltham, Ashby, Brigsley, Gonerby (in
Hatcliffe), Hawerby, and North Coates, co. Lincoln, and Chilham, Kent.
He was sent as a student to the Prior of Kenilworth in 1207. In 1215
he was granted the lands of Robert Fitz Walter in Cornwall. In 1217
he and Ralph de Raleigh were granted the manor of Waltham, co. Lincoln
formerly held by Alan Fitz Count to sustain them in royal service. In
1231 he was granted all of the land of Henry de Avaugor, a Norman, in
Waltham, co. Lincoln. He married before 1236 EVE DE BLANCHMINSTER (or
WHITCHURCH), widow of William de Champernoun (living 1230), of
Umberleigh (in Atherington) and High Bickington, Devon, and daughter
and heiress of Reynold de Blanchminster (or Whitchurch) (living 1248),
of Shrivenham and Winterbourne (in Chieveley), co. Berks, and Bolney,
co. Oxford, by his 1st wife, Alice, daughter and co-heiress of
Nicholas de Bolney. They had no issue. SIR HENRY FITZ ROY died
shortly before 8 Apr. 1245. His widow, Eve, married (3rd) before 30
June 1252 Giles de Clifford (living 1276). C.Ch.R. 1 (1895): 137
(styled "Henry the king's brother"). J.L. Vivian, Visitations of the
County of Devon (1895), pp. 160. C.P.R., 1216-1225 (1901), pp. 128,
574 ("Henricus filius regis"). C.C.R., 1227-1231 (1902), pg. 51.
C.P.R., 1225-1232 (1903), pp. 311 ("Henricus frater regis"), 357,441.
C.C.R., 1234-1237 (1908), pg. 219 ("Henrico fratri regis"). Book of
Fees 1 (1920): 362 ("Henricus frater regis"), 617 ("Henricus filius
regis"); 2 (1923): 660,675,1021 (instances of "Henricus filius
Regis"). C.P.R., 1232-1247 (1906), pp. 20,296,450. C.C.R., 1237-1242
(1911), pg. 511 ("Henricum filium regis"). VCH Berkshire 3 (19??):
424; 4 (1924): 63,513,533. C.C.R., 1251-1253 (1927), pg. 116. S.
Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. C.P. 12 Pt. 2
(1959): 645 (sub Wilington). Curia Regis Rolls 13 (1959): 138,215,283
("Henricus filius regis John"), 290,364-365,371,514,542; 15 (1972):
83,449 (styled "Henricum filium le Rey"). R.A. Brown, Memoranda Roll
for the Tenth Year of the Reign of King John (1207-8) (Pipe Roll Soc.,
n.s., vol. 31) (1957), pg. 137 (Henry called "our son" [filio nostro]
by King John). NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. B.R. Kemp, Reading Abbey
Cartularies 1 (Camden, 4th ser., vol. 31) (1986): 375. S.D. Church,
Household Knights of King John (1999), pg. 127.iv. OSBERT GIFFORD, Knt. In 1215 he received the lands of Thomas de
Ardern in Oxfordshire. In 1216 he likewise received Ardern's lands in
Bundes, Norfolk, and elsewhere in Suffolk, Essex, and Sussex, and the
lands of Aumary Despenser, Roger Fitz Nicholas, and Ralph Bluet in
Oxfordshire. SIR OSBERT GIFFORD died in 1248. Ancestor 3 (1902): 227
(his arms: Ermine two bars gules, on a chief gules a leopard or).
Genealogist n.s. 28 (1922): 128-129. S. Painter, Reign of King John
(1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. T.D. Tremlett, Rolls
of Arms Henry III (Harleian Soc. Pub., vols. 113-114) (1967), pg. 47.v. EUDES (or IVES) FITZ ROY, of Canewdon, Essex. In 1233 he was
granted lands in Aldbury, co. Hertford. He had an exchequer fee of
£20 granted to him in 1237. In the period, c. 1227/41, he witnessed a
charter for his brother, Richard, Earl of Cornwall, to Launceston
Priory in Cornwall. In 1240 he joined Earl Richard on a crusade to
the Holy Land. EUDES FITZ ROY died there testate shortly before 21
Jan. 1241/2. His lands in Essex were granted to Giles de Chanceaux in
1242. No known descendants. G. Oliver, Monasticon Diocesis
Exonienses (1846), pg. 23. C.C.R., 1231-1234 (1905), pg. 210 ("Eudoni
filio regis"). C.P.R., 1232-1247 (1906), pp. 179 ("Eudo the king's
brother"), 270 ("Eudo son of R. the king's brother"), 314 ("Eudo the
king's brother"). C.C.R., 1237-1242 (1911), pp. 73 ("Eudoni fratri
regis"), 386-387 ("Eudonis fratris regis"), 387 ("Ivonis fratris
domini regis"), 532 ("Eudonis fratris nostri"). Cal. Liberate Rolls 1
(1916), pg. 263. N. Denholm-Young, Richard of Cornwall (1947), pp.
41,112. P.L. Hull, Cartulary of Launceston Priory (Devon & Cornwall
Rec. Soc., n.s., vol. 30) (1987) 12 ("Yvo brother of the earl"
[Richard, Earl of Cornwall]).vi. BARTHOLOMEW FITZ ROY, clerk, papal chaplain, member of the order
of Friars Preachers, living Aug. 1254. Papal Registers: Letters 1
(1893): 281,286,305.vii. MAUD FITZ ROY, nun, elected Abbess of Barking 5 Aug. 1247; died
shortly before 6 Feb. 1252. Sir William Dugdale, Monasticon
Anglicanum 1 (1817): 437,441 ("Dame Maud la file le Roy John"). VCH
Essex 2 (1907): 120.Alleged illegitimate child of John of England, by an unknown mistress,
_____:i. ISABEL FITZ ROY, married RICHARD FITZ IVES, Knt., lord of Degembris
(in Newlyn East), Cornwall. They had two sons, William Fitz Richard,
Knt. (of Degembris and Penhallow [both in Newlyn East], Lanisley (in
Gulival), and Rosneython and Trenoweth-Chammon [both in St. Keverne])
and Richard Fitz Richard (clerk), and one daughter, Isabel (wife of
Belyn Hellegan, Knt.). He gave tithes in Gruguth (in St. Keverne),
Cornwall. SIR RICHARD FITZ IVES allegedly died in 1207. Modern
descendants (not traced). Herald and Genealogist 7 (1873): 229-231
(Isabel styled "filie Regis Joh'is"). Sir John Maclean, Parochial and
Family Hist. of the Deanery of Trigg Minor 1 (1876): 317. J.L.
Vivian, Visitations of Cornwall (1887), pg. 30. G.D. Stawell, A
Quantock Family: The Stawells of Cothelstone and their Descendants
(1910), pp. 44-45. J.H. Rowe, Cornwall Feet of Fines 1 (1914):
17,49,54-55,58-59,91-92,171,438-440. C.R.R. 11 (1955), pg. 473; 12
(1957): 189. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. C.R.R. 18 (1999): 362-363.
Harleian MS. 4031, ff. 76b,81.Possible illegitimate child of John of England, by an unknown
mistress, _____:i. PHILIP FITZ ROY (possible child). In 1263 he and his wife, Lavina,
conveyed lands at Bignor, Pebmarsh, and Petworth, Surrey to Henry Fitz
[le] Roy, perhaps their son. L.F. Salzman, Abstract of Feet of Fines
Relating to the County of Sussex (Sussex Rec. Soc., vol. 7) (1908),
pg. 45 ("Ph[illip]um Fiz Le Rey" [i.e., Philip the king's son]) (cf.
W. Hudson, Three Earliest Subsidies for the County of Sussex in the
Years 1296,1327,1332 (Sussex Rec. Soc., vol. 19) (1910), pp. 73,95
(references to "Henr[icus] fyz le Rey" on 1296 Sussex subsidy).King John had illegitimate children over the entire course of
his adult life. He was a very busy man in the bedroom. One of his
older bastard sons, Geoffrey, received a loan by the pledge of William
Longespée, Earl of Salisbury, and Peter de Stokes in 1204. In 1205 he
led an expedition into Poitou and died the same year. King John
likewise had another illegitimate daughter, Joan, who married before
23 Mar. 1204/5 Llywelyn ap Iowerth, Prince of North Wales.
Consequently, it is possible that King John was the father of Isabel,
wife of Richard Fitz Ives, who allegedly died in 1207. By the way, I
have reason to suppose that Isabel survived Richard Fitz Ives for many
years and remarried.Second, Isabel de Beaupre is not the same person as King John's
bastard daughter, Isabel, wife of Richard Fitz Ives. As best I can
tell, Isabel de Beaupre is a later day descendant and the senior
heiress of the Fitz Ives family. I didn't mean to imply that the two
Isabel's were the same person.
Clementia.Clementia married John "Lackland" King Of ENGLAND.
Regarding the identity of Clemence, mother of Joan of England, wife of
Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales, the following information
might be helpful.The actual entry in the Tewksbury annals which pertains to Joan's
mother, "Queen" Clemence, reads as follows:Year: A.D. 1236
Obiit domina Johanna domina Walliae, uxor Lewelini filia regis
Johannis et regina Clemencie, iii. kal. Aprilis."[Died lady Joan lady of Wales, wife of Llywelyn, daughter of King John
and Queen Clemence, 3 Kal. April."Reference: Henry Richard Luard, Annales Monastici, 1 (1864): 101.
In this case, the monk was evidently indulging in medieval legalism.
Before her death, Joan had been legitimized by the Pope. On the
basis of that legitimization, the Tewksbury monk evidently chose to
elevate Joan's mother to the status of Queen, as if Joan's mother had
been King John's wife. In point of fact, King John and Joan's mother,
Clemence, were never married. By referring to Joan's mother as
"Queen" Clemence, the monk who recorded Joan's death was showing his
extreme respect for Joan, not attempting to alter the facts.The item from the Patent Rolls cited by Robert Battle below involving
Joan's daughter, Susanna, was located by me some years ago.
Basically, the document states that King Henry III is entrusting the
care of his niece, Susanna (daughter of Llywelyn and Joan), to the
care of Nicholas de Verdun and Clemence, his wife.On the surface, there would be nothing to suggest any connection
between Susanna of Wales and Clemence, wife of Nicholas de Verdun.
However, Susanna was almost certainly being held in England as a
hostage as a guarantee for good behavior on the part of her father,
Llywelyn. Her brother, David, for instance, was being held hostage in
England at the time of the Magna Carta.My experience with foreign hostages has been that they were often
placed with their English relatives, if any were available. To verify
that, one has only to consult the long list of Scottish hostages in
this period, who I discovered were repeatedly placed with their
English kinsmen. Being a hostage in this period basically meant the
person was under house arrest. Under such circumstances, it is easy
to understand why such persons were placed with their own relations.The fact that Clemence, wife of Nicholas de Verdun, is mentioned at
all catches the eye. Under normal circumstances, the wife would not
be named. The fact that she was so named suggests she had some
interest in Susanna. Given the fact we know that Susanna's
grandmother was named Clemence, it becomes readily apparent that
Clemence, wife of Nicholas de Verdun, was Susanna's own grandmother.
That this is true is underscored by the fact that when the king later
granted Susanna's care to another individual, no mention was made of
the other man's wife. Even more important, the name Clemence is
extremely rare among English noble women of this period. The fact
that anyone named Clemence would be associated with Susanna is
important.As for the identity of Clemence de Verdun, Paget shows that she was
the daughter of Roger de Dauntsey, of Wiltshire. It is interesting
that Clemence would hail from Wiltshire. Over the years, I've
noticed that King John had a strong attachment to Wiltshire, it being
the home of his most trusted allies, the Longespee, Marshal, and
Basset families and Geoffrey Fitz Peter, Earl of Essex. Surely, given
that his strongest supporters were all Wiltshire people suggests that
King John spent much time there.Back in 1992, I shared my findings on Clemence de Dauntsey with Gary
Boyd Roberts, who in turn placed her name as Joan's mother in his
book, Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants, published in 1993. On page
305, he notes that I was then planning an article on Princess Joan and
her mother, Clemence. Due to circumstances beyond my control, the
article was never published as scheduled. However, I do plan to
include a discussion of Clemence de Dauntsey in my forthcoming book,
Plantagenet Ancestry, 3rd edition. For those interested in obtaining
a copy of the book, please contact me privately at my e-mail address
below.In this case, I think the evidence is suggestive but not conclusive
that Clemence de Dauntsey was Princess Joan's mother. Perhaps with a
little prodding of the records, the desired conclusive evidence of Joan's parentage will yet be
located.Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
They had the following children:
F i Joan Princess Of ENGLAND was born in 1188. She died on 3 Apr 1236.
John "Lackland" King Of ENGLAND [Parents] was born on 24 Dec 1166 in Kings Manor House, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England. He died on 19 Oct 1216 in , Newark, Nottinghamshire, England. He was buried in Cathedral, Worcester, Worcestershire, England. He married Clementia.
Other marriages:TAILLEFER, Isabella De
, Clementia
FERRERS, Agatha De
GIFFORD, Matilda
ENGLAND, Mrs-John Concubine Of
ENGLAND, Mrs-John Concubine Of
FITZWARIN, Hawisa
ENGLAND, Mrs-John, Concubine Of
DE WARRENE,
DE WARRENE, Miss
PLANTAGENET, Miss
, Clementia
, Clementia
The following is a list of eleven bastard children of King John of
England which I've assembled from a variety of sources. If anyone has
any additions or corrections to this material, please let me know.
The first two children listed, Richard Fitz Roy (or de Warenne), Baron
of Chilham, Kent, and Joan, wife of Llywelyn ap Iowerth, Prince of
North Wales, have many modern descendants.Although sometimes questioned, I accept Isabel, wife of Richard Fitz
Ives, Knt., as a bastard daughter of King John. Isabel appears to
have modern descendants. Besides Isabel, I've also included a new
bastard child for King John not commonly found on such lists, namely
Maud Fitz Roy, Abbess of Barking, whose identity is proven by the
sources cited below.Sidney Painter, King John's historian, says of him: ".... cruel,
lecherous, and deceitful." Surely the number of illegitimate children
listed below for King John proves the lecherous part.Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
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BASTARD CHILDREN OF KING JOHN OF ENGLANDIllegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, _____ de
Warenne:i. RICHARD FITZ ROY (or DE WARENNE), Knt., Baron of Chilham, Kent,
married ROSE DE DOVER [see ATHOLL 4].Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, Clemence _____:
i. JOAN OF ENGLAND, married LLYWELYN AP IORWERTH, Prince of North
Wales [see WAKE 4].Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, Hawise _____:
i. OLIVER FITZ ROY. He defended Wolvesey Castle for Peter des Roches,
Bishop of Winchester, in 1216. In 1217 he was granted the lands
formerly held by Peter Fitz Herbert to sustain him in the king';s
service. In 1218 he arrived with other English knights at Damietta in
the company of Papal legate, Pelayo. He did not return. H.R. Luard,
Chronica Majora 3 (1876): 40-41. C.P.R., 1216-1225 (1901), pp.
42-43,92. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR
119 (1965): 94-102. J.M. Powell, Anatomy of a Crusade (1986), pg.
235. N. Vincent, Peter des Roches (1996), pp. 71,175.Illegitimate children of John of England, by an unknown mistress (or
mistresses):i. ISABEL FITZ ROY, married RICHARD FITZ IVES, Knt., lord of Degembris
(in Newlyn East), Cornwall. They had two sons, William Fitz Richard,
Knt. (of Degembris and Penhallow [both in Newlyn East], Lanisley, and
Rosneython [in St. Keverne]) and Richard Fitz Richard (clerk), and one
daughter, Isabel (wife of Belyn Hellegan, Knt.). He gave tithes in
Gruguth (in St. Keverne), Cornwall. SIR RICHARD FITZ IVES died in
1207. Modern descendants (not traced in this book). Herald and
Genealogist 7 (1873): 229-231. Sir John Maclean, Parochial and Family
Hist. of the Deanery of Trigg Minor 1 (1876): 317. J.L. Vivian,
Visitations of Cornwall (1887), pg. 30. J.H. Rowe, Cornwall Feet of
Fines 1 (1914): 17,49,54-55,58-59,91-92,171,438-440. NEHGR 119
(1965): 94-102. Harleian MS. 4031, ff. 76b,81 (not seen).ii. JOHN FITZ ROY, evidently a clerk, supported by the custodians of
the see of Lincoln in 1201. D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1201 (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 14) (1936), pp.
xix,192-193. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233.
NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102.iii. GEOFFREY FITZ ROY. In 1204 he received a loan by the pledge of
William Longespée, Earl of Salisbury, and Peter de Stokes. In 1205 he
led an expedition into Poitou and died the same year. Curia Regis
Rolls 3 (1926): 321 (suit dated 1205: "... quam diu predictus Radulfus
[de Trublevill] fuerit in servicio nostro in Pictavia cum Gaufrido
filio nostro"). D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe Michaelmas 1204
(Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 18) (1940), pp.
xxxv-xxxvj,xlj,33,60,87,131. D.M. Stenton Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1205 (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 19) (1941), pp.
xviij-xix,19,79-80. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp.
232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102.iv. HENRY FITZ ROY, Knt., of Waltham, Ashby, Brigsley, Gonerby (in
Hatcliffe), Hawerby, and North Coates, co. Lincoln, and Chilham, Kent.
He was sent as a student to the Prior of Kenilworth in 1207. In 1215
he was granted the lands of Robert Fitz Walter in Cornwall. In 1217
he and Ralph de Raleigh were granted the manor of Waltham, co. Lincoln
to sustain them in royal service. In 1231 he was granted all of the
land of Henry de la Vaugoz, a Norman, in the soke of Waltham, co.
Lincoln. He married before 1236 EVE DE WHITCHURCH, widow of William
de Champernoun (living 1230), of Umberleigh (in Atherington) and High
Bickington, Devon, and daughter and heiress of Reynold de Whitchurch,
of Shrivenham and Winterbourne (in Chieveley), co. Berks, by his 1st
wife, Alice, daughter and co-heiress of Nicholas de Bolney. They had
no issue. SIR HENRY FITZ ROY died shortly before 8 Apr. 1245. His
widow, Eve, married (3rd) before 30 June 1252 Giles de Clifford
(living 1276). C.Ch.R. 1 (1895): 137. J.L. Vivian, Visitations of
the County of Devon (1895), pp. 160. Book of Fees 1: 362,617; 2
(1923): 660,675,1021. C.P.R., 1232-1247 (1906), pp. 20,296,450.
C.C.R., 1237-1242 (1911), pg. 511. VCH Berkshire 4 (1924): 63,533.
C.C.R., 1251-1253 (1927), pg. 116. S. Painter, Reign of King John
(1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. C.P. 12 Pt. 2 (1959):
645 (sub Wilington). Curia Regis Rolls 13 (1959): 514; 15 (1972):
83,449. S.D. Church, Household Knights of King John (1999), pg. 127.v. OSBERT GIFFORD. In 1215 he received the lands of Thomas de Ardern
in Oxfordshire. In 1216 he likewise received Ardern's lands in
Norfolk, Suffolk, and Sussex. In 1216 he and his wife received safe
conduct to confer with King John. His subsequent history is unknown.
Ancestor 3 (1902): 227 (his arms: Ermine, 2 bars gules, a chief gules
with a leopard or in chief). Genealogist n.s. 28 (1922): 128-129. S.
Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965):
94-102.vi. EUDES FITZ ROY, of Canewdon, Essex. In 1233 he was granted lands
in Aldbury, co. Hertford. He had an exchequer fee iof £20 granted to
him in 1237. In 1240 he joined his half-brother, Richard, Earl of
Cornwall on a crusade to the Holy Land. EUDES FITZ ROY died there
testate shortly before 21 Jan. 1241/2. His lands in Essex were
granted to Giles de Chanceaus in 1242. No known descendants. G.
Oliver, Monasticon Diocesis Exonienses (1846), pg. 23. C.C.R.,
1231-1234 (1905), pg. 210. C.P.R., 1232-1247 (1906), pp. 179,270,314.
C.C.R., 1237-1242 (1911), pp. 387,532. Cal. Liberate Rolls 1 (1916),
pg. 263. N. Denholm-Young, Richard of Cornwall (1947), pp. 41,112.vii. BARTHOLOMEW FITZ ROY, clerk, papal chaplain, member of the order
of Friars Preachers, living Aug. 1254. Papal Registers: Letters 1
(1893): 281,286,305.viii. MAUD FITZ ROY, nun, elected Abbess of Barking 5 Aug. 1247; died
shortly before 6 Feb. 1252. Sir William Dugdale, Monasticon
Anglicanum 1 (1817): 437,441. VCH Essex 2 (1907): 120.Signed Magna Carta in 1215
The statement in the legitimization of Joan, daughter of king
John and wife of prince Llywelyn, that each of her parents were
unmarried at the time of her birth, does not imply she was born
prior to John's first marriage, to Isabelle de Clare in 1189.
This marriage had been annulled by the time of Joan's
legitimization, and would have been considered by the clerics
not to have occurred.It might be that the legitimization does imply that, by the
time of John's second marriage, to Isabelle of Angouleme, that
Joan's mother was either dead or had become a nun, otherwise the
legitimacy of king Henry III might have been called into
question.It might also be that the reference in Joan's obituary to her
mother as "queen Clementia" implies that Clemence, mother of
Joan, did not die or become a nun until after John's accession.I suspect that in the minds of the monks and clerics who
recorded things, these annulments and legitimizations created a
virtual world in which annulled real world marriages did not
exist, and appropriate legitimizing marriages did exist, with
all appropriate side effect implications, including Clemence
having been queen..- Paul K. Davis - paulkdavis@earthlink.net
Please find below a revised listing of the bastard children of King
John. The list has been augmented by many new references,
corrections, and additions since my last posting of this listing. The
new listing includes Philip "Fiz Le Rey" [i.e., Philip the king's
son]) found in a 1263 Sussex fine as a possible bastard child of King
John.Also, it appears there may be a link between Isabel, wife of Richard
Fitz Ives, and another royal bastard, Eudes Fitz Roy. I've learned
that in 1245, Isabel's son and heir, William Fitz Ives, sued Giles de
Chanceaux regarding property in Cornwall. This is surely the same man
who was granted Eudes Fitz Roy's properties in Essex on his death
without issue in 1242. The Fitz Ives and Chanceaux link deserves
further study.Comments are invited.
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REVISED LISTING OF BASTARD CHILDREN OF KING JOHN OF ENGLAND:
Legitimated child of John of England, by a mistress, Clemence _____:
Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, _____ de
Warenne, daughter of Hamelin, 5th Earl of Surrey, by Isabel, daughter
and heiress of William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey [see WARENNE 2]:i. OLIVER FITZ ROY. He defended Wolvesey Castle for Peter des Roches,
Bishop of Winchester, in 1216. In 1217 he was granted the lands
formerly held by Peter Fitz Herbert to sustain him in the king's
service. In 1218 he arrived with other English knights at Damietta in
the company of Papal legate, Pelayo. He did not return. H.R. Luard,
Chronica Majora 3 (1876): 40-41. C.P.R., 1216-1225 (1901), pp.
42-43,92. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR
119 (1965): 94-102. J.M. Powell, Anatomy of a Crusade (1986), pg.
235. N. Vincent, Peter des Roches (1996), pp. 71,175.i. JOHN FITZ ROY, evidently a clerk, supported by the custodians of
the see of Lincoln in 1201. D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1201 (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 14) (1936), pp.
xix,192-193. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233.
NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102.ii. GEOFFREY FITZ ROY. In 1204 he received a loan by the pledge of
William Longespée, Earl of Salisbury, and Peter de Stokes. In 1205 he
led an expedition into Poitou and died the same year. Curia Regis
Rolls 3 (1926): 321 (suit dated 1205: " ... quam diu predictus
Radulfus [de Trublevill] fuerit in servicio nostro in Pictavia cum
Gaufrido filio nostro"). D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1204 (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 18) (1940), pp.
xxxv-xxxvj,xlj,33,60,87,131. D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1205 (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 19) (1941), pp.
xviij-xix,19,79-80. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp.
232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102.iii. HENRY FITZ ROY, Knt., of Waltham, Ashby, Brigsley, Gonerby (in
Hatcliffe), Hawerby, and North Coates, co. Lincoln, and Chilham, Kent.
He was sent as a student to the Prior of Kenilworth in 1207. In 1215
he was granted the lands of Robert Fitz Walter in Cornwall. In 1217
he and Ralph de Raleigh were granted the manor of Waltham, co. Lincoln
formerly held by Alan Fitz Count to sustain them in royal service. In
1231 he was granted all of the land of Henry de Avaugor, a Norman, in
Waltham, co. Lincoln. He married before 1236 EVE DE BLANCHMINSTER (or
WHITCHURCH), widow of William de Champernoun (living 1230), of
Umberleigh (in Atherington) and High Bickington, Devon, and daughter
and heiress of Reynold de Blanchminster (or Whitchurch) (living 1248),
of Shrivenham and Winterbourne (in Chieveley), co. Berks, and Bolney,
co. Oxford, by his 1st wife, Alice, daughter and co-heiress of
Nicholas de Bolney. They had no issue. SIR HENRY FITZ ROY died
shortly before 8 Apr. 1245. His widow, Eve, married (3rd) before 30
June 1252 Giles de Clifford (living 1276). C.Ch.R. 1 (1895): 137
(styled "Henry the king's brother"). J.L. Vivian, Visitations of the
County of Devon (1895), pp. 160. C.P.R., 1216-1225 (1901), pp. 128,
574 ("Henricus filius regis"). C.C.R., 1227-1231 (1902), pg. 51.
C.P.R., 1225-1232 (1903), pp. 311 ("Henricus frater regis"), 357,441.
C.C.R., 1234-1237 (1908), pg. 219 ("Henrico fratri regis"). Book of
Fees 1 (1920): 362 ("Henricus frater regis"), 617 ("Henricus filius
regis"); 2 (1923): 660,675,1021 (instances of "Henricus filius
Regis"). C.P.R., 1232-1247 (1906), pp. 20,296,450. C.C.R., 1237-1242
(1911), pg. 511 ("Henricum filium regis"). VCH Berkshire 3 (19??):
424; 4 (1924): 63,513,533. C.C.R., 1251-1253 (1927), pg. 116. S.
Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. C.P. 12 Pt. 2
(1959): 645 (sub Wilington). Curia Regis Rolls 13 (1959): 138,215,283
("Henricus filius regis John"), 290,364-365,371,514,542; 15 (1972):
83,449 (styled "Henricum filium le Rey"). R.A. Brown, Memoranda Roll
for the Tenth Year of the Reign of King John (1207-8) (Pipe Roll Soc.,
n.s., vol. 31) (1957), pg. 137 (Henry called "our son" [filio nostro]
by King John). NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. B.R. Kemp, Reading Abbey
Cartularies 1 (Camden, 4th ser., vol. 31) (1986): 375. S.D. Church,
Household Knights of King John (1999), pg. 127.iv. OSBERT GIFFORD, Knt. In 1215 he received the lands of Thomas de
Ardern in Oxfordshire. In 1216 he likewise received Ardern's lands in
Bundes, Norfolk, and elsewhere in Suffolk, Essex, and Sussex, and the
lands of Aumary Despenser, Roger Fitz Nicholas, and Ralph Bluet in
Oxfordshire. SIR OSBERT GIFFORD died in 1248. Ancestor 3 (1902): 227
(his arms: Ermine two bars gules, on a chief gules a leopard or).
Genealogist n.s. 28 (1922): 128-129. S. Painter, Reign of King John
(1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. T.D. Tremlett, Rolls
of Arms Henry III (Harleian Soc. Pub., vols. 113-114) (1967), pg. 47.v. EUDES (or IVES) FITZ ROY, of Canewdon, Essex. In 1233 he was
granted lands in Aldbury, co. Hertford. He had an exchequer fee of
£20 granted to him in 1237. In the period, c. 1227/41, he witnessed a
charter for his brother, Richard, Earl of Cornwall, to Launceston
Priory in Cornwall. In 1240 he joined Earl Richard on a crusade to
the Holy Land. EUDES FITZ ROY died there testate shortly before 21
Jan. 1241/2. His lands in Essex were granted to Giles de Chanceaux in
1242. No known descendants. G. Oliver, Monasticon Diocesis
Exonienses (1846), pg. 23. C.C.R., 1231-1234 (1905), pg. 210 ("Eudoni
filio regis"). C.P.R., 1232-1247 (1906), pp. 179 ("Eudo the king's
brother"), 270 ("Eudo son of R. the king's brother"), 314 ("Eudo the
king's brother"). C.C.R., 1237-1242 (1911), pp. 73 ("Eudoni fratri
regis"), 386-387 ("Eudonis fratris regis"), 387 ("Ivonis fratris
domini regis"), 532 ("Eudonis fratris nostri"). Cal. Liberate Rolls 1
(1916), pg. 263. N. Denholm-Young, Richard of Cornwall (1947), pp.
41,112. P.L. Hull, Cartulary of Launceston Priory (Devon & Cornwall
Rec. Soc., n.s., vol. 30) (1987) 12 ("Yvo brother of the earl"
[Richard, Earl of Cornwall]).vi. BARTHOLOMEW FITZ ROY, clerk, papal chaplain, member of the order
of Friars Preachers, living Aug. 1254. Papal Registers: Letters 1
(1893): 281,286,305.vii. MAUD FITZ ROY, nun, elected Abbess of Barking 5 Aug. 1247; died
shortly before 6 Feb. 1252. Sir William Dugdale, Monasticon
Anglicanum 1 (1817): 437,441 ("Dame Maud la file le Roy John"). VCH
Essex 2 (1907): 120.Alleged illegitimate child of John of England, by an unknown mistress,
_____:i. ISABEL FITZ ROY, married RICHARD FITZ IVES, Knt., lord of Degembris
(in Newlyn East), Cornwall. They had two sons, William Fitz Richard,
Knt. (of Degembris and Penhallow [both in Newlyn East], Lanisley (in
Gulival), and Rosneython and Trenoweth-Chammon [both in St. Keverne])
and Richard Fitz Richard (clerk), and one daughter, Isabel (wife of
Belyn Hellegan, Knt.). He gave tithes in Gruguth (in St. Keverne),
Cornwall. SIR RICHARD FITZ IVES allegedly died in 1207. Modern
descendants (not traced). Herald and Genealogist 7 (1873): 229-231
(Isabel styled "filie Regis Joh'is"). Sir John Maclean, Parochial and
Family Hist. of the Deanery of Trigg Minor 1 (1876): 317. J.L.
Vivian, Visitations of Cornwall (1887), pg. 30. G.D. Stawell, A
Quantock Family: The Stawells of Cothelstone and their Descendants
(1910), pp. 44-45. J.H. Rowe, Cornwall Feet of Fines 1 (1914):
17,49,54-55,58-59,91-92,171,438-440. C.R.R. 11 (1955), pg. 473; 12
(1957): 189. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. C.R.R. 18 (1999): 362-363.
Harleian MS. 4031, ff. 76b,81.Possible illegitimate child of John of England, by an unknown
mistress, _____:i. PHILIP FITZ ROY (possible child). In 1263 he and his wife, Lavina,
conveyed lands at Bignor, Pebmarsh, and Petworth, Surrey to Henry Fitz
[le] Roy, perhaps their son. L.F. Salzman, Abstract of Feet of Fines
Relating to the County of Sussex (Sussex Rec. Soc., vol. 7) (1908),
pg. 45 ("Ph[illip]um Fiz Le Rey" [i.e., Philip the king's son]) (cf.
W. Hudson, Three Earliest Subsidies for the County of Sussex in the
Years 1296,1327,1332 (Sussex Rec. Soc., vol. 19) (1910), pp. 73,95
(references to "Henr[icus] fyz le Rey" on 1296 Sussex subsidy).King John had illegitimate children over the entire course of
his adult life. He was a very busy man in the bedroom. One of his
older bastard sons, Geoffrey, received a loan by the pledge of William
Longespée, Earl of Salisbury, and Peter de Stokes in 1204. In 1205 he
led an expedition into Poitou and died the same year. King John
likewise had another illegitimate daughter, Joan, who married before
23 Mar. 1204/5 Llywelyn ap Iowerth, Prince of North Wales.
Consequently, it is possible that King John was the father of Isabel,
wife of Richard Fitz Ives, who allegedly died in 1207. By the way, I
have reason to suppose that Isabel survived Richard Fitz Ives for many
years and remarried.Second, Isabel de Beaupre is not the same person as King John's
bastard daughter, Isabel, wife of Richard Fitz Ives. As best I can
tell, Isabel de Beaupre is a later day descendant and the senior
heiress of the Fitz Ives family. I didn't mean to imply that the two
Isabel's were the same person.
Clementia.Clementia married John "Lackland" King Of ENGLAND.
Regarding the identity of Clemence, mother of Joan of England, wife of
Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales, the following information
might be helpful.The actual entry in the Tewksbury annals which pertains to Joan's
mother, "Queen" Clemence, reads as follows:Year: A.D. 1236
Obiit domina Johanna domina Walliae, uxor Lewelini filia regis
Johannis et regina Clemencie, iii. kal. Aprilis."[Died lady Joan lady of Wales, wife of Llywelyn, daughter of King John
and Queen Clemence, 3 Kal. April."Reference: Henry Richard Luard, Annales Monastici, 1 (1864): 101.
In this case, the monk was evidently indulging in medieval legalism.
Before her death, Joan had been legitimized by the Pope. On the
basis of that legitimization, the Tewksbury monk evidently chose to
elevate Joan's mother to the status of Queen, as if Joan's mother had
been King John's wife. In point of fact, King John and Joan's mother,
Clemence, were never married. By referring to Joan's mother as
"Queen" Clemence, the monk who recorded Joan's death was showing his
extreme respect for Joan, not attempting to alter the facts.The item from the Patent Rolls cited by Robert Battle below involving
Joan's daughter, Susanna, was located by me some years ago.
Basically, the document states that King Henry III is entrusting the
care of his niece, Susanna (daughter of Llywelyn and Joan), to the
care of Nicholas de Verdun and Clemence, his wife.On the surface, there would be nothing to suggest any connection
between Susanna of Wales and Clemence, wife of Nicholas de Verdun.
However, Susanna was almost certainly being held in England as a
hostage as a guarantee for good behavior on the part of her father,
Llywelyn. Her brother, David, for instance, was being held hostage in
England at the time of the Magna Carta.My experience with foreign hostages has been that they were often
placed with their English relatives, if any were available. To verify
that, one has only to consult the long list of Scottish hostages in
this period, who I discovered were repeatedly placed with their
English kinsmen. Being a hostage in this period basically meant the
person was under house arrest. Under such circumstances, it is easy
to understand why such persons were placed with their own relations.The fact that Clemence, wife of Nicholas de Verdun, is mentioned at
all catches the eye. Under normal circumstances, the wife would not
be named. The fact that she was so named suggests she had some
interest in Susanna. Given the fact we know that Susanna's
grandmother was named Clemence, it becomes readily apparent that
Clemence, wife of Nicholas de Verdun, was Susanna's own grandmother.
That this is true is underscored by the fact that when the king later
granted Susanna's care to another individual, no mention was made of
the other man's wife. Even more important, the name Clemence is
extremely rare among English noble women of this period. The fact
that anyone named Clemence would be associated with Susanna is
important.As for the identity of Clemence de Verdun, Paget shows that she was
the daughter of Roger de Dauntsey, of Wiltshire. It is interesting
that Clemence would hail from Wiltshire. Over the years, I've
noticed that King John had a strong attachment to Wiltshire, it being
the home of his most trusted allies, the Longespee, Marshal, and
Basset families and Geoffrey Fitz Peter, Earl of Essex. Surely, given
that his strongest supporters were all Wiltshire people suggests that
King John spent much time there.Back in 1992, I shared my findings on Clemence de Dauntsey with Gary
Boyd Roberts, who in turn placed her name as Joan's mother in his
book, Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants, published in 1993. On page
305, he notes that I was then planning an article on Princess Joan and
her mother, Clemence. Due to circumstances beyond my control, the
article was never published as scheduled. However, I do plan to
include a discussion of Clemence de Dauntsey in my forthcoming book,
Plantagenet Ancestry, 3rd edition. For those interested in obtaining
a copy of the book, please contact me privately at my e-mail address
below.In this case, I think the evidence is suggestive but not conclusive
that Clemence de Dauntsey was Princess Joan's mother. Perhaps with a
little prodding of the records, the desired conclusive evidence of Joan's parentage will yet be
located.Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
They had the following children:
F i Joan Princess Of ENGLAND was born in 1188. She died on 3 Apr 1236.
Edward "Atheling" Prince Of ENGLAND [Parents] was born in 1016 in , , Wessex, England. He was christened in (41-1057). He died in 1057 in , London, Middlesex, England. He was buried in St Paul Cathedral, London, Middlesex, England. He married Agatha Von Brunswick Princess Of ENGLAND about 1035 in Of, London, Middlesex, England.
Agatha Von Brunswick Princess Of ENGLAND [Parents] was born about 1018 in Braunschweig, Prussia. She died on 13 Jul 1024. She married Edward "Atheling" Prince Of ENGLAND about 1035 in Of, London, Middlesex, England.
They had the following children:
F i Margaret "Atheling" Queen Of SCOTLAND was born about 1042/1045. She died on 16 Nov 1093. M ii Edgar "Atheling" Prince Of ENGLAND was born about 1036 in , , Wessex, England. He died after 1126. F iii Christina "Atheling" Princess Of ENGLAND was born about 1044 in , , Wessex, England.